Nameless Voice on 16/9/2018 at 14:12
I keep wondering if I should tell the story of the drama caused by the far-right in the Thief community.
In brief, there was a Discord server for Thief discussion (not mine, another one), and it had quite a large number of FM authors in it.
However, it also had several members of the alt-right, including one who spent most of his time making fun or or insulting minorities and what he called "SJWs", and another who straight-up identified himself as a Nazi (and actually had a swastika in his name, until the admins forced him to remove it).
(There was also a third guy who I believe also came from some kind of neo-Nazi forum or server, but he didn't say that much.)
Needless to say, I never spoke much in there, and became increasingly disgusted by it, to the point I barely looked at any of the discussion in there and thought a few times of just quitting the server in disgust.
It also made me extremely depressed in the Thief community, who I always thought of as a reasonable bunch of people. But, my disappointment would get worse.
Eventually, the admin of the server finally had enough and banned the first guy. I missed most of the direct drama, but I believe he was initially shadowbanned (still there, but no one else could read his messages.)
Of course, this caused others to cry about censorship and abuses of free speech.
People argued that it was wrong for the admin to moderate for the people who didn't speak, even though the reason a lot of people rarely spoke was because the atmosphere in the channel was so toxic and disgusting that no one wanted to be associated with it (at least, that's why I personally rarely spoke.)
(This thread was originally part of the "decline of debate and rise of the far right and far left" thread.)
Which leads us to the most depressing part of the tale.
In the aftermath of that, the majority of FM authors in the channel (which was still only a small number of authors) all left to create their own channel. These included people who have been considered pillars of the Thief community for a long time, prominent FM authors, a TTLG moderator, and others.
The people, who I had previously assumed to be reasonable, defending the right of free hate-speech, defending the indefensible alt-right.
They of course also accused the people who stayed behind of hating Thief and of never contributing anything, which I can't but find a bit laughable in its absurdity.
In any case, that whole situation has completely soured me to the Thief editing community. I no longer have any interest in helping people like that.
I will continue to gather any material people send me for the Thief EP and occasionally release updates, but I no longer feel like helping anyone with anything else Thief-related.I
JarlFrank on 16/9/2018 at 16:42
To clear this up, most of us left because we've become fed up with the administration of the server (removing posts because some people found them lewd or offensive, and then of course the shadowbanning of an esteemed member who was prone to edgy shitposting but also a valuable contributor when it came to Thief-related things). The case of said member's shadowban was the final straw that made us all decide to leave and create our own server without censorship. And funnily enough, about 80% of what's talked about on the new server is directly related to Thief and FMs.
And don't pretend like the old server has become any better when it comes to political commentary. I've recently seen some posts that approved of left-wing violence there - funnily enough none of the "evil alt-righters" as you describe them have ever posted anything that crass. But that's how leftists are. Describing themselves as good guys but in truth being even worse than those on the right.
Enjoy your empty server!
DarkMax on 16/9/2018 at 17:07
"I barely looked at any of the discussion"
> Spent hours scrolling through the million of messages in order to find something to screenshot/save in text files.
LMAO.
Nicker on 16/9/2018 at 17:30
Quote Posted by DarkMax
"I barely looked at any of the discussion"
> Spent hours scrolling through the million of messages in order to find something to screenshot/save in text files.
LMAO.
Whereas you barely read the post, apparently.
Nameless Voice on 16/9/2018 at 17:42
Quote Posted by DarkMax
"I barely looked at any of the discussion"
> Spent hours scrolling through the million of messages in order to find something to screenshot/save in text files.
LMAO.
It's funny that you should mention that. The only reason I brought this up now is because I learned that the admin of that other server received at least one harassing message from one of the people that left, which had a screenshot of a piece of conversation in the middle of a
huge discussion (mostly about something else) on my Discord server. So, someone has been sitting there reading through everything in order to find tiny parts to screenshot, to then spread them to whatever rock those people are now hiding under, and give the people there the chance to use them to harass others.
But wait, that probably wasn't what you meant.
DarkMax on 16/9/2018 at 17:48
Yeah yeah something something evil alt righters. Who wants some soy with their food?
FireMage on 16/9/2018 at 18:28
It was me. And I'm going to tell the truth about it since it's starting to get on my nerves when someone is changing the facts to look clever.
No, it wasn't an harassing message or anything related to anything about your discussion.
The administrator of the server I quitted with the others was just saying we are all "alt-righters" and I just can't stand such a thing since it's completely false and he knew it. Nothing more, nothing less.
In my message, I was just refreshing his memory that there were absolutely not alt-right guys in the server. There were just two far right people and about three shitposters who trolled sometimes (but actually don't care about politics). We all left because, as Jarl said, the admin was not honnest, changing the rules for some far leftist who can't make any difference between a joke and a real opinion, never contribute and barely like the game. It was not because he kicked someone or anything like this.
To make things even more clear, among those who left we got all different political opinion (even far left) but it's okay because none of us are activist and/or force the others to share to same opinions, could they be far right or even "alt-right". Why? Because we are all Thief fans and don't mind if another fan got different political ideas.
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So, someone has been sitting there reading through everything in order to find tiny parts to screenshot, to then spread them to whatever rock those people are now hiding under, and give the people there the chance to use them to harass others.
To make things clear again, everything was done in private. Not to troll, call to harassement or anything like that. Just a person who was shocked to see such lies from the admin of the former Thief discord server and needed to discuss about it. I just personnaly decided to ask for explaination from the admin face to face. Because I wanted him to tell me why he's doing this.
But as I can see, he prefered sending someone else posting at TTLG, instead of answering me. Since you barely know about what happened, you are now talking about something you don't know and which don't even concern you. Congrats!
Gryzemuis on 16/9/2018 at 18:36
We're talking politics here. This thread is not about some petty fighting on a server I've never heard of. You had your fights over there. Don't do it all over here again. I don't think anyone is looking forward to that.
DarkMax on 16/9/2018 at 18:42
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
We're talking politics here. This thread is not about some petty fighting on a server I've never heard of. You had your fights over there. Don't do it all over here again. I don't think anyone is looking forward to that.
It's not a fight when one of the parts cries in their basement for the admins to apply rules instead of actually go and debate. But yeah I agree, why would someone bring that topic to TTLG lol?
Be careful not to disagree though or you might be tagged as an evil nazi alt-righter (as if being right wing was a capital sin in the first place). :rolleyes:
Yandros on 17/9/2018 at 00:34
I realize most of you don't know or only barely know who I am, and most of you who do don't give a fuck about any of the Discord drama mentioned earlier. But since my name (by inference) was unceremoniously dragged through the mud with a number of other FM authors, I feel the need to say a few things here. Although I'm not going to go into any details of the events over there because they never should have been mentioned in public in the first place, and, as I already said, most of you don't care.
I am the author/moderator mentioned earlier. No, I am not alt-right or a Nazi, although the post could certainly be read that way. I'm a moderate libertarian who leans right on fiscal issues and left on social issues. The person who decided to mention all this here didn't know my political beliefs, because we've never discussed them privately, despite being acquainted for 15 years. I also must say, being publicly betrayed by someone I considered a friend for that long is not something I enjoy or care to do again, but I will not stoop to the level of reciprocating the mudslinging publicly. If there is anyone here who cares to know my side of things who doesn't already, please PM me. Or, just read Firemage's post above with an open mind and you'll get the gist of it.
Now by all means, get back on topic, since it's what you all do so well here.