heywood on 24/10/2017 at 22:07

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It's not a hypothetical thing I made up, it's literally half the plot of the film. The implanted memory fooled K into becoming the decoy, and he convinced the Lieutenant that the child of the replicant was dead. Luv and Wallace bought it too. It worked perfectly as a decoy right up until the time Freysa bursts K's bubble, which she did in order to try to get K to kill Deckard before Wallace gets him. If not for that, it would have been case closed.



If she told him the memory wasn't real, and he believes her, then he won't think he's the miracle child, which means there's no decoy and he continues his hunt, followed by the police and Wallace. If she told him the memory wasn't real, and he doesn't believe her (remember he has already visited the orphanage at this point), then he's immediately going to be suspicious of her.



K finds a sock that Sapper has kept hidden because of its sentimental value. The size of the sock suggests she lived there at least until she was a toddler. And nobody comes for ~30 years, so I'd say that's proof of it being relatively safe. Also, if the memory of the orphanage is presumed to be real, it seems to suggest she doesn't arrive there until she's even older.



Huh? She's supposedly been in isolation since her youth. Some benefactor built her an isolation chamber, and it certainly wasn't Mister Cotton the slavemaster from the orphanage.

There are two other things that bug me about the "memory is real" hypothesis:

- If the carved horse is important enough to Ana that she'll take a beating for it, why doesn't she ever go back and retrieve it?

- If time in the orphanage is part of her cover, why would someone put that into doubt by ripping out the records, unnecessarily raising suspicion? The only explanation I can think of for ripping out those records was to make it plausible for K to believe he was there.

zombe on 25/10/2017 at 13:48

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I thought it being perfectly clear that memories are not created unique for every replicant (prototypes/exceptions excepted of course) - that would be insanely ludicrous. Once created you reuse them, perhaps even copy paste some together. Hence why a girl became a boy (the recipient happened to be a boy) and why there are others. Though that to be quite sad realization for K, but it seems some interpreted it in some other, from my point of view, weird way.

As to why, that is a different story. As a baseline - it does not need an explanation. I can see Ana Stelline just dropping it in for no particular purpose. Perhaps just as leaving a mark of himself from his bubble. Perhaps reckless, but we do not know how dangerous it really was. It just ended up serving a purpose as an unifier after the fact (breadcrumb on the tree)..

heywood on 25/10/2017 at 15:18

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I thought about taking the script at face value and assuming she doesn't know her origin and is oblivious to the whole thing. But I couldn't understand why they would put her in a slave labor situation to hide her in plain sight, and then suspiciously try to cover up her ever being there by destroying the records. Or why she would leave her wooden horse there, or why would she give up a true memory, knowing it was illegal, without any purpose. She also told K that her immune deficiency was the reason she couldn't follow her parents off-world, but if her caretakers really left her in an orphanage then why would she lie about that to a cop? This explanation, while plausible, seems to require more irrational behavior than some of the other explanations.

There are several things I really liked about this movie, and one of them is that it manages to give us a cathartic ending but still leaves us questioning what we saw and its interpretation. Another thing I really liked is that it sucks us into a "chosen one" trope and then throws it on its ear. It's only when he realizes his own insignificance that K becomes a hero. And he doesn't save the world or start a revolution, he sacrifices himself to reunite a father and daughter who he is only connected to through a memory of sentimental object they shared.

van HellSing on 25/10/2017 at 22:55

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I'd put off Fallout 4 for a while now, but right now I'm playing it while making it as Blade Runner as more-human-than-human-possible. It's not that bad actually, once you get over the fact that it's not exactly a classical RPG anymore.

van HellSing on 26/10/2017 at 07:56

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There's quite a bit of overlap. Fallout includes cyberpunk elements, and BR 2049 shows just how blasted and barren the world is outside of the cities. Not to mention the plot of Fallout 4 revolves around androids.