Renault on 23/10/2017 at 13:52
Maybe I'm just not understanding something here - why is there a question of how it got implanted? Wouldn't it just be at K's inception/birth?
But yeah, the big questions is why, especially given what VH said above.
Pyrian on 23/10/2017 at 16:53
Quote Posted by van HellSing
Thing is,
she says herself that implanting real memories is illegal.Oh, right. And illegal things never happen. I kind of wonder, though -
the resistance says everybody thinks they're Deckard's kid. I thought they were speaking metaphorically, but...maybe they weren't.TannisRoot on 23/10/2017 at 17:10
I interpreted the planted memory as a decoy. The records show a boy surviving and it's a boy that received the memories. If there was ever an investigation, the hope is that it would lead to the boy. If this is a universe where memories can be implanted, then it wouldn't surprise me if those implants can be scanned in some way. If he was caught, it would confirm him as a false positive.
SubJeff on 23/10/2017 at 22:14
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What memory? Cannot think of any memories with questionable origins let alone anything resembling a plot hole. A few days have passed since i saw the movie - did i miss something?
Did you even watch the film?
FFS.
This is a MAJOR part of the plot.
Your opinion on any films is now utterly worthless.
Jesus wept.
icemann on 24/10/2017 at 03:19
He must have slept through it. Tsk tsk.
SubJeff on 24/10/2017 at 05:05
Quote Posted by Brethren
why is there a question of how
it got implanted? Wouldn't it just be at K's
inception/birth?But yeah, the big questions is why, especially given what VH said above.
The question isn't "how"
as in mechanism but how come it's in the guy who is doing this particular investigation.
It's illegal so who took the memory from her, who put it in him, why him, and if it's her memory and she's a memory worker who knows it's illegal wouldn't she think something was seriously weird that some cop comes to see her with her own memory implanted?
Presumably she doesn't know what she is, for her own protection. Wouldn't you be just about freak out if you saw your own memory illegally implanted in a skinjob cop who just came to see you about the authenticity of one of his memories?And I'm still stunned that anyone could watch this film and "Cannot think of any memories with questionable origins".
This is almost as bad as the guy who tried to convince a room full of people that Bruce Willis committed suicide at the end of Sixth Sense or the guy I know who asked, at the end of the Matrix, "Why are they always running for phones?".
It's nothing personal, I'm just amazed.
I mean, the original had loads of false memory stuff.
heywood on 24/10/2017 at 17:24
The script left ambiguity over the origin and purpose of the memory. Here's my take on it:
My preference is to assume it's a fake memory created from a real object and real location, as part of a ruse. Before Ana Stelline reads K's memory, when she is explaining the difference between a real memory and a fake one, she tells K the best fake memories are emotional and include something personal from the creator. In the theater, I took that to mean that she used the wooden horse from her childhood in creating the memory, and I assumed one of the other conspirators planted the horse as a decoy and ripped out the records. She then lies to K by telling him it's a real memory in order to further the ruse and keep him from inquiring about the memory's origin.
My explanation for the ruse is that Stelline and the others find out Wallace is after the replicant child, and given that the records point to a male, they decide to create one and convince him he is the offspring of Deckard and Rachel so that he can be a decoy. The problem is, they didn't expect him to find Deckard.
My wife assumed it was one of Ana Stelline's real memories and she gave it to Wallace Co for implanting in replicants in the hope that someday it might lead to her father. But if so, why did she cut off the conversation with K instead of trying trying to find out what he knew, or maybe even help him?
I also have a hard time accepting that the group who was trying to save and protect her would leave her in a dangerous child slave labor camp, especially when there is evidence that she lived on the farm (the sock) and that was certainly a safer environment than the orphanage. After all, the police didn't discover the farm until some 30 years later. Also, the group had the resources to fake her identity and build her a fancy protective bubble, so surely they could have done better than dump her off to be a child slave in an industrial recycling facility.
Renault on 24/10/2017 at 17:34
I read somewhere that in the orphanage, all the kids had shaven heads, but in K's memory, the person with the horse has hair (can't remember if that's right or not). So it's suggesting that the memory wasn't real, but maybe certain parts are based on reality. The horse exists, but the fight never happened. Something like that.
It was also brought up that it doesn't seem possible that someone with a deficient immune system would be able to survive in such a dirty place like the orphanage. So maybe that means she was never there, or the immune system story is BS. Who knows.
Pyrian on 24/10/2017 at 17:56
I'm pretty sure she said she didn't have a deficient immune system until like eight years old or something.
SubJeff on 24/10/2017 at 20:12
I think you're right Pyrian. Potentially a result of being a skinjob.
heyword - your reasoning makes no sense.
How could planting the memory in some random skinjob be any kind of decoy? And wouldn't it have been easier to tell him it wasn't real? Your wife's idea makes more sense to me.
The farm wasn't safe! Too many questions - who is the mother, where is the mother? Oh, lets scan the ground, what's this body doing here? Nah - integration allows one to get lost in the crowd.
And it wasn't the group that built her that bubble - she's just in a bubble.
