Being immigrated in France what can happen to me if Marine Le Pen wins the elections - by Cardia
Renzatic on 24/4/2017 at 20:23
Quote Posted by jkcerda
Sanders had my vote till he turned and endorsed/supported the very thing he was supposed to be against.
This whole "If I can't have it all, then I'll settle for ashes and ruins" mindset is primarily responsible for all the shit we're currently finding ourselves wading through.
Think of it like this: Hillary, while very much an establishment candidate, had politics that at least leaned more towards Sanders in comparison to Trump's. And considering the fact that her own constituency heavily favors Sanders, she would at some point have to at some point at least consider, if not acquiesce, to their demands. After Sander's defeat, if you wanted your cheap education and healthcare, it would've been better to hold your nose, and hitch your wagon to the Clinton campaign, tasteless though it may have been.
But you didn't. And what has this staunch adherence to your principals gained you? A president who could bring our currently shaky-on-its-feet healthcare system to its knees with the stroke of a pen, and who has nominated a cabinet that will make education even less affordable through their policies. By standing up for your principals for principals sake, you've lost everything you've hoped to achieve.
Sanders understands that sometimes politicians need to politick. The Bernie Bros. very quickly need to learn the same.
jkcerda on 24/4/2017 at 20:40
sorry, but being "pragmatic" got us exactly where we are today, where the worst in GOVT and the worst in society can go head to head and get votes simply because of the magic "R" or "D" next to their name.
so glad she lost. had she won most who complain about cheeto hitlers deeds would stay silent like they did when oclueless was in office.. Funny trump get's to be hitler when it was Obama who passed indefinite detention w/o trial into law. at what point we are some of you going to say ENOUGH to "politicking"? my principals don't change based on the letter next to the clown in charge.
Renzatic on 24/4/2017 at 20:51
Pragmatism wasn't responsible for the terrible candidates we ended up being stuck with. It's the lack of pragmatism, and the complete denial of compromise that's lead us to this position.
And as I've explained previously, yeah, Obama does deserve blame for not vetoing the indefinite detention law when he had the chance. But the people who wrote said law, who decided to slap it into a standard military spending bill? They held their seats in congress, and now their party controls 2 of the 3 branches of our government. How have your raw principals benefitted you?
jkcerda on 24/4/2017 at 20:56
Quote Posted by Renzatic
1.Pragmatism wasn't responsible for the terrible candidates we ended up being stuck with. It's the lack of pragmatism, and the complete denial of compromise that's lead us to this position.
2.And as I've explained previously, yeah, Obama does deserve blame for not vetoing the indefinite detention law when he had the chance. But the people who wrote said law, who decided to slap it into a standard military spending bill?
3. They held their seats in congress, and now their party controls 2 of the 3 branches of our government.
4 How have your raw principals benefitted you?
need to quote you to address it properly.
1.disagree because you are so wrong :D
2 buck stops with the POTUS, hell he did not even have to sign it for it to pass, it passes 10 days after it reaches his desk, oretard wanted it to pass.
3. put the fuckers in jail, ALL of them,makes no difference if they are democrat or republican.
4 I get to bitch moan & groan on the internet to BOTH sides because they are BOTH SHIT , oh man I fucking love that part, I get to have my principals and bitch? YEAH BABY ,
I am MIDGET, HEAR ME ROAR
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http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd250/jkcerda/cf.gifRenzatic on 24/4/2017 at 20:57
Now that's gonna be an interesting fight to watch, provided the judge doesn't side with the DNC's call for dismissal.
...which might very well happen, since the major brunt of the argument are against actions that were discussed, but not acted upon, and the DNCs claim for neutrality is more a pledge to their voters than it is a legal obligation.
jkcerda on 24/4/2017 at 20:59
at this point what difference does it make? she lost and he is pretty much irrelevant so they should just let it go............
oh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,wait.........
Edit, I may appear to have "raw" principals, but the thing is my tolerance for bullshit in politics is far lesser than most. there are things I can overlook and things I simply will not compromise on.
demagogue on 24/4/2017 at 21:29
Don't forget this is the French bread here.
The trick about despising terrible candidates (or policies) is whether that implies you also despise the masses that voted for them. Compromise is more about recognition of one's fellow citizens than what one thinks is ideal in the nation of their dreams, sans all the inconvenient dissenters. It can also be more effective than the alternative, but that's not at the root I think.
In my colleague's village near Strasbourg, she said probably 60% voted Fillon and the other 40% Le Pen, which she shrugged and said sounded accurate. Insane, but accurate. What does one do when vast stretches of their countryside see the world like that village? (FWIW, Trump is even worse than Fillon was with the casual corruption and nepotism angle.)
Macron is interesting just because he apparently got support as an anti-elite, but he's as establishment as they come, and she couldn't figure out how he got so much support and Hollande only got like 4% when they're so close to each other.
Well I'm just parroting her opinions. The most exposure I've had to French politics is that Sarkozy movie, The Conquest, although I guess the Republican's conquest is over for a while now.
Trance on 24/4/2017 at 21:46
Quote Posted by jkcerda
put the fuckers in jail
This is fast becoming your catchphrase.
