Being immigrated in France what can happen to me if Marine Le Pen wins the elections - by Cardia
faetal on 24/4/2017 at 00:18
Quote Posted by Vae
That will change in the next two weeks.
Quoted for posterity.
skacky on 24/4/2017 at 01:18
Doubt she'll win unless a miracle happens. In France there is this so-called "front républicain" where pretty much every party agrees to vote for the non-Front National party in the second turn in case it qualifies. That's what happened in 2002 with Jean-Marie Le Pen against Jacques Chirac and this is what will happen this time as well unless Macron truly royally screws up somehow. As much as I dislike the Front National, I find this practice rather disgusting. It just allows the two main parties to continue to rule and trade places when they want, and part of the people are completely fed up with the regular parties as tonight showed. The Socialist Party crashed spectacularly and Les Républicains will probably explode thanks to internal strife and just because most of them are complete crooks. The Socialist Party is the current ruling party here too.
Also, Macron is almost guaranteed to win. The guy is a pure invention of the media; he is where he is now thanks to the media who have hyped him like crazy ever since he became Minister, just because he's young and handsome, forgetting that his results are catastrophic and that he comes from the most unpopular government of the Fifth Republic. The media really is partisan to Macron and it's quite laughable to see. I'm sure Mélenchon lost tonight because they kept painting him as an insane, dangerous commie and endlessly singing the praises of Macron who's an ultra-liberal (in the economic sense), who comes from the banks and most importantly who doesn't have the guts to carry the country. But hey, at least the Socialist Party and Les Républicains have been defeated and we have a real, traditional, no-bullshit Left party that has the majority now. Interesting times ahead despite the outcome.
Cardia on 24/4/2017 at 07:05
Quote Posted by Stefan_Key
Just a good mix with the french word p*te and kin ! ;)
And I'm safe too (my parents are not french) : Macron will be president.
Yes, i guess i can also say i´m safe, even knowing the Most of the people here in Saint Gobain and some villages around voted in Marie Lu Pen.
Melan on 24/4/2017 at 07:09
Rien.
Cardia on 24/4/2017 at 07:33
And the funny/revolting thing is that alot of immigrants of second generation including many Portuguese people have voted in Marine Le Pen.
Tomi on 24/4/2017 at 09:16
Is that some sort of a wordplay that I don't get? :D It's Marine Le Pen.
Tony_Tarantula on 24/4/2017 at 12:47
Meanwhile, US reporting is hilariously biased and dumbed down. Bloomberg is reporting "centrist Macron poised to win"...which doesn't accurately describe Macron (he's left of establishment favored candidates) or what is actually going on.
The real significance is being missed out on: the center is being squeezed out by the left right, not entirely unexpectedly as radicalization is a symptom of economic decline.
It's probably for the best. This means France can have an honest ideological argument about what direction to go in rather than more sophomoric ado about nothing.
Tony_Tarantula on 24/4/2017 at 12:50
Quote Posted by Cardia
And the funny/revolting thing is that alot of immigrants of first and second generation including many Portuguese people have voted in Marie Lu Pen.
You wouldn't be surprised if you actually understood the Muslim culture rather than just making the incredibly racist assumption that all immigrants are exactly the same.....not that anyone who isn't from there truly does, but I like to think that living there gave me a leg up in that regard.
A lot of those first and generation immigrants were ones fleeing the radicalization of the Middle East and Africa that occurred as a result of Reagan's foreign policy. The reason they aren't happy about what's happening is that the same wacky, literalist bible interpretation they fled is now following them over.
Disclaimer that I am mostly summarizing things told to me by people like our team's interpreter. You'd be amazed how much many of the expats detest and despise the people in the countries they're from.
rachel on 24/4/2017 at 14:39
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
. Bloomberg is reporting "centrist Macron poised to win"...which doesn't accurately describe Macron (he's left of establishment favored candidates) or what is actually going on.
Macron is center right, as are all the so called "Socialists" too happy to flock and support him now, abandoning all pretense of being left.
What's left of the PS was nuked by Mélenchon, which is good, though we wouldn't be there today if they had had the good sense to quit the race when it was clear they were on the path of a historic rejection. But ok, I'm bitter but I respect the results.
The choice is now between someone who wants to destroy the EU in one or a few fell swoops, or someone who's going to follow the same doomed policies that are slowly destroying it from within and just delay the inevitable collapse.
Bonus points to the latter for celebrating like he's already won the thing, there's still one round to go and if there was ever a time to not be fucking complacent, it would be now.
For fuck's sake.
The only hope left is to get some leverage in the Legislatives to try and mitigate the damage, but it's a disaster.
faetal on 24/4/2017 at 16:15
Quote Posted by Tony_Tarantula
Bloomberg is reporting "centrist Macron poised to win"...which doesn't accurately describe Macron (he's left of establishment favored candidates) or what is actually going on.
The reason you're confused is that that European centre (or most of the right by that matter) is way left of the US centre.
