Being immigrated in France what can happen to me if Marine Le Pen wins the elections

skacky on 8/5/2017 at 13:08

How is stating the fact that he worked at the Rothschild bank anti-semitic discourse? Are you people for real? I have never implied he was Jewish nor do I have anything against the Jews. I stated a fact. The guy comes from the big money circles and that's what he does. I don't like the banks and I don't like current Capitalism, I don't see how that makes me hate the Jews somehow.

DrK on 8/5/2017 at 13:11

Macron did work for Rothschild bank, it doesn't make him a jew, nor skacky an anti-semite...

demagogue on 8/5/2017 at 13:14

You don't, but it'd be good if you couched your resentment with vocabulary that wasn't racialized. You resent the guy for being a banker is enough.

Edit. Rothschild-anything as a derogatory term is, stating a fact, dog whistle speak and has been for over for a century. You didn't know, but you should know it.

skacky on 8/5/2017 at 13:17

I still don't see how stating the FACT that he worked at the Rothschild bank is racialized vocabulary, but whatever floats your boat I guess. I wasn't the one to make the connection with the Jews.

EDIT: Okay, I see. Just to clarify, again: I have a problem with finance and banks themselves, I think they are out of control and allowed far too much power. The fact that our new president was a banker in an important establishment is a problem for me for this reason and not another. He could've come from any other bank, my reaction would have been the same.

DrK on 8/5/2017 at 13:20

It doesn't change the fact that he actually was a Rothschild banker, derogatory or not. You're seeing ill-intent where there is none.

Skacky is a leftist, he has a problem with finance and bankers, that's his point of view. It has nothing to do with pseudo jewish/far-right conspiracies.

demagogue on 8/5/2017 at 13:43

He didn't know so no ill intent, it just sounds bad when you have any historical perspective.

It's the weird thing in our era that people have inherited all these narratives of why finance and bankers are so bad, but they've detached from all of historical context, so this curious orphaned resentment and distrust remains without remembering why we resented and distrusted them pretty much since the medieval era, since this is far from a new narrative.

And why are they so bad again? Greedy, right? Bloodsucking to poor for a dime, right? Do you want to explore where that resentment comes from as you've been taught it? That's really the purpose of that kind of excursion. That and just historical consciousness.

Anyway, I'm drawing this out too much, so I'll happily drop it and mea culpa. It's obvious you had no bad intention and it's standard leftist fodder. That's fine. Just on the standard fodder front, it strikes me as paleo-Left since the contemporary Left is about identity politics, environmental and social justice, etc. Worrying about bankers sounds like something our grandparents would worry about and somehow out of touch. But it's hardly unprecedented so whatevs.

skacky on 8/5/2017 at 13:57

I take issue with big finance because the power only belongs to the very wealthy and the corrupt political elite while the rest of the people is left with the very few leftovers. You have banks that, instead of keeping your money safe without touching it, like they should, will happily play with it and lose it without you ever giving your consent for that. I have no problem with business banks, but in France there is no separation between these and banks for the common folk where people just want to store their damn money. You have establishments like La Société Générale in France that lost billions through shady operations, and this scandal is still far from over. I'd be content with the banks just being vaults to store your hard-earned money. The end. This is what they should do, in my opinion.

Macron has connections with these banks as well as big corporations, and Hollande's government gave astronomical amounts of money to them to create jobs. What did they do? They grabbed the money for themselves and didn't create any new jobs. Nada. I'm just incredibly worried this scenario will repeat itself, especially since Macron has no pretense of being from the Left like Hollande did.

Regarding your last paragraph: that's what I mean when I say I'm a traditional Leftist. I don't care much at all about identity politics and think they're actually very dangerous and incredibly divisive (especially in the US with the racial/gender conflicts I just find insanely vapid and counter-productive). I don't align much at all with the so-called American Left that is all about this and their perverted version of "social justice". I'm all for environmental preservation though, but not to the extent of the radical Green parties that have unrealistic programs and objectives. A vast majority of Mélenchon's voters, like I, are worried about the financial aspect of things. We're the old school kind, sort of.

rachel on 8/5/2017 at 14:26

^ what he said

Thor on 8/5/2017 at 14:43

Does the right (or non-left) play with your money, but the left doesn't? I was under the impression the the left doesn't help with creating jobs that well either. The welfare state is like the greatest tool society has managed to devise to date, to keep people from working.

It's good that you're not into the identity-politics retardation. It's such a massive waste of everyone's time and sets us back as a species in a way that things like religion did, except religion kept the babies popping out, so this crap is more of a threat.

Politics should always start and end with the financial aspect in the first place. That is - it shouldn't be an aspect - it should be all of it. But since they love to coat it up with the social justice (social cancer) disease, then it gets people more involved on a personal level and suddenly it's about who is more likeable and appealing (based on any person's arbitrary experience which *happens to have* nothing to do with actual politics) instead of who can get the job done... and it ends up being a battle of politicians and other important people's financials instead of the people's financials.

Briareos H on 8/5/2017 at 16:18

Quote Posted by demagogue

"Rothschild banker" is pretty blatant antisemetic-speak whether you intended it or not.

That does seem to be limited to the English language. First time I hear about this, too.