Being immigrated in France what can happen to me if Marine Le Pen wins the elections - by Cardia
faetal on 1/5/2017 at 10:54
Quote Posted by raph
That's the Europe we've got. I don't want to leave the EU, but I think it has more to offer than that. France has an inflated opinion of itself, but it's the only country capable of forcing a renegotiation of this scale, though that's only if we want to. We'll see again in five years.
Hey, I agree - if I got it wrong about Mélenchon, then I apologise - bear in mind that I'm watching the news with French as a second language, so I may have misinterpreted stuff.
rachel on 1/5/2017 at 12:09
Ah, my bad I thought you were native French from your location... Well the thing is, unless you followed his meetings or read his programs it was nigh impossible to see what his position on Europe really was because both media and opponents constantly compared him to Le Pen and Asselineau and their Frexit bullshit.
The last week before the 23rd was particularly bad as they latched on that now (in)famous Bolivarian alliance, pretending his goal was to ditch the EU to join Iran and Russia and Cuba and Venezuela in a great marxist partnership. With the ill-timed protests in Venezuela, no wonder people got scared... :nono:
Manwe on 1/5/2017 at 20:10
Quote Posted by raph
Well the thing is, unless you followed his meetings or read his programs it was nigh impossible to see what his position on Europe really was because both media and opponents constantly compared him to Le Pen and Asselineau and their Frexit bullshit.
Mélenchon and Le Pen have the exact same stance regarding the EU: vague, evasive, full of contradictions and extremely dishonest. It can be summed up as "let's renegotiate the EU treaties" or "let's change the EU", which is what every party and politician has been promising to do for the last twenty years, and is absolutely impossible in practice. It's also a very nationalist, aggressive and dictatorial stance. Basically they want to impose the will of France on the other European countries, because you know, fuck democracy. In that sense, you could say they are very pro-EU.
The only candidate proposing to leave the EU, serenely and peacefully, through article 50, so that we can have our own politics without imposing our will on anyone, is Asselineau. And he's been proposing that for 10 years, he didn't wait for fucking Brexit to happen. All the anti-EU rhetoric of Mélenchon and Le Pen was pilfered from his analyses and conferences.
faetal on 2/5/2017 at 19:23
I'm still reeling from the bare-faced cynicism of Le Pen ditching FN to try to scoop up Fillon supporters because she knows she is done.
While I'd still prefer him over Le Pen, I'm not looking forward to going through another Tony Blair presidency. The first one was bad enough.
Cardia on 4/5/2017 at 17:36
When Le Pen mention in this debate she wanted the foreign doctors out of France i knew that this could mean my return to Portugal in case she wins, because my Mom is working as Doctor at Saint-Gobain... and i´m totally dependent on her.
But good thing Macron has still much more followers than her.
Cardia on 4/5/2017 at 17:43
Seriously? this woman even copied Fillon speech :
[video=youtube;k1oFyNMqJZM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1oFyNMqJZM[/video]
if there's wasn't so much abstinence in voting in France a person of extreme right like Le Pen would have never come this far.
heywood on 4/5/2017 at 22:14
Quote Posted by Cardia
if there's wasn't so much abstinence in voting in France a person of extreme right like Le Pen would have never come this far.
I read turnout in the first round was about the same as 2012, 69.5% vs. 70.5% or something like that.
So I don't think you can say that abstention was the reason she made it to the runoff.
She's there because of the complete implosion of PS, aided by Fillon's scandal.
bjack on 4/5/2017 at 23:18
69.5% to 70.5% would be record turn out in the USA. We are lucky to get 30%.
If France would adopt a primary election, this situation may not have to occur again. However, it did not help us in the US much. Turd Sandwich vs. Ultra Douche. At least the douche can get you clean. It has some use.
