Being immigrated in France what can happen to me if Marine Le Pen wins the elections - by Cardia
Manwe on 26/4/2017 at 19:17
To whoever said Macron was the best candidate... Yeah, no, he's the worst of the worst. A wolf in sheep's clothing. He's also the most right-wing of the bunch. Le Pen is mostly irrelevant, she's just there to serve as a stepping stone to get her opponent elected with certainty, as has been explained multiple times here. And she's the most left-wing candidate with Mélenchon. Well, not her personally, but her program and her electorate most definitely. You people seem to have it all backwards. On the left you've got the working class, on the right the ones who exploit the working class. It's not that hard to figure out.
Granted Le Pen is a millionaire born in a rich family, who's never had to work a day in her life and who got to where she is now through nepotism, so I can see why you'd get confused. But whose fault is it, if the working class is defended by a racist bourgeoise? The so-called "left" stopped defending workers' rights around the Mittérand era. Too much trouble. Leave those ideas to the FN, that way anyone who tries to tackle those complex issues will automatically be likened to a fascist. Same goes with the EU really. Why bother with that can of worms? Just give it to the FN, and voilà ! Wanting to leave the EU becomes the equivalent of being a Nazi.
Anyway, in normal circumstances, she wouldn't stand a chance. But against Macron? That incompetent, arrogant moron just handed her the biggest opportunity of her life. Whoever's elected now, we're screwed. We'll have the most hated government and president in our history, an ungovernable country with protests everyday and an indefinitely renewed state of emergency. It will just be different groups stirring shit up, depending on who's elected: labour movements with Macron, antifas with Le Pen.
We can all thank the media for this wonderful conundrum we find ourselves in.
SD on 27/4/2017 at 15:00
Quote Posted by caffeinatedzombeh
The £8 or the VAT?
All of it. If I buy something in one territory, and pay all applicable sales taxes upon it within that territory, it is utterly ridiculous that I then get hit a second time merely for bringing that item across a wholly arbitrary line in the dirt.
I would eradicate all tariffs and duties tomorrow, and the world would be a much better place for it. Free trade, imagine that.
Quote Posted by Manwe
To whoever said Macron was the best candidate... Yeah, no, he's the worst of the worst.
If you ever needed more evidence that Macron is the best of the bunch...
caffeinatedzombeh on 27/4/2017 at 15:39
Quote Posted by SD
All of it. If I buy something in one territory, and pay all applicable sales taxes upon it within that territory, it is utterly ridiculous that I then get hit a second time merely for bringing that item across a wholly arbitrary line in the dirt.
I would eradicate all tariffs and duties tomorrow, and the world would be a much better place for it. Free trade, imagine that.
Generally sales tax on exports is 0, the buyer pays the relevant sales tax in the country they're in (The VAT you're moaning about) + whatever duties are applicable (presumably 0 since you're not moaning about them) + a fee to whoever brought it through customs and paid the VAT to HMRC on your behalf, if you don't want to pay the £8 then go and pick it up from HMRC yourself.
If you think £8 is the end of the world try living on an island.
I'm unsure what any of this has to do with elections in France though.
faetal on 27/4/2017 at 17:05
Quote Posted by SD
If you ever needed more evidence that Macron is the best of the bunch...
While I hate to give support to Manwe, Macron is far from the best of the bunch. The whole array of choices, as with most choices in politics, were a shit sandwich. Fillon was basically using the public's money to share out among his family, Mélenchon talked a nice bit of socialist passion, but then inserts the occasional bit of rhetoric which is so nuts, it just makes you worried about what he could do if in power (oh, and he wants France out of the EU), Le Pen is, well Le Pen, Macron is basically mister no-soul-I'm-going-to-carry-on-with-the-whole-neoliberal-destruction-of-worker-rights-to-feed-the-rich. Hamon seemed OK I guess, but Mélenchon's posturing seemed to go over for all of the tiresome reasons which are sweeping the globe right now (whatever sounds the most anti-establishment wins) and ripped Hamon's base from under him. The remainder I'm less sure of, as I don't get a vote, and am too busy to look into everyone.
Right now, I'm of the opinion that Macron is still better than Le Pen (but then again, so is a plastic turd with googly eyes on it), but he's by no means a good thing.
Cardia on 27/4/2017 at 19:35
Lol, Marine Le Pen promised she would celebrate her victory in a Portuguese Restaurant if she were to win, what the heck? to shut it down later...
rachel on 27/4/2017 at 21:51
Quote Posted by faetal
(oh, and he wants France out of the EU),
Oh come one, how can you continue spreading these misrepresentations all the time, people. Being in favor of a renegotiation of the treaties is not the same as wanting out. The only way you can negotiate is if you're ready to go all the way if need be, and leave the table (Plan B) but it's the nuclear option, France is too big for this to happen. This would force the hand of everyone, especially Germany who's been riding this super sweet deal for the last 70 years, what with the Bundesbank being all powerful on exchange rates, on how the ECB should be structured and ran. It's time to stop this crazy unlimited expansion to the East to include countries that are not ready to be members, so that multinationals can blackmail the richer ones to adopt lower wages and worse conditions or else see their businesses go abroad. It's time to stop dictating all this austerity disaster that's slowly asphyxiating entire countries and fattening a handful of leeches' pockets. Look at Greece, Spain, Portugal, Italy, you want France to be next? You want kids to emigrate en masse because there are no jobs and no money at home? It's a sucky deal that works just for them, and it's time to stop pretending it's all right because it's screwing over everyone else.
That's the Europe we've got. I don't want to leave the EU, but I think it has more to offer than that. France has an inflated opinion of itself, but it's the only country capable of forcing a renegotiation of this scale, though that's only if we want to. We'll see again in five years.
Cardia on 29/4/2017 at 12:11
in almost every French channel in the tv and radio i hear all the time "Marine Le Pen", the media might want her to win with so much propaganda.
demagogue on 29/4/2017 at 13:04
The troubling stat I saw was that 81% of the people that voted for Le Pen did so "de conviction", and only 58% for Macron (the rest just voting for him "par default"). Add that with this "boycott the vote" business, and I think if that catches on it's clear people not voting would be Macron voters, and right there is Le Pen's path forward.
Pyrian on 29/4/2017 at 17:33
Quote Posted by Cardia
...the media might want her to win with so much propaganda.
There's a lot of talk about what the media wants, but what each media channel absolutely requires in order to continue
existing is ratings, and colorful extremists are just so much less
boring than bland centrists.
