heywood on 27/9/2012 at 23:56
Sorry for the OT
Quote Posted by faetal
Perhaps, but I love real ale, I'm not just settling for it. The range and variety of flavours continues to amaze me. Sure there are some stinkers, but the nicest alcoholic beverages I've had the pleasure to sup were all ales.
I enjoy all varieties of beer, but English ales are special. If you look hard enough, you can find good Belgian and German beers available in most civilized places (or at least reasonable facsimilies), but real ales are much harder to find outside of the UK.
Anyway, can you offer some recs for my next visit? I'm usually in London or Weymouth and have been drinking a lot of Doom Bar and Jurassic Ale lately.
SubJeff on 28/9/2012 at 00:44
Doom Bar is stink. Blegh.
Get yourself a Boon Guise instead.
demagogue on 28/9/2012 at 03:56
Haha I love how you guys have completely nuked this thread off topic but nobody is even batting an eye. But considering my first hat was as a food regulation lawyer, I can't pass without noting I wrote an article on food law & culture, and one of my big examples was the Reinheitsgebot. (I just posted about drinking culture between UK & the Continent in another place too; some of you may even find it. Funny how it became topic of the day...)
Edit: here's the other comment I coincidentally made today, dealing with drinking culture...
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I remember a WTO trade case (sorry if this is too tangential, but it was interesting to me) where the UK taxed wine more than beer, and the French argued you can't tax similar products differently if it's discriminatory to a foreign product (it allegedly ends up encouraging Brits to buy more UK beer than French wine, which is trade discrimination under classic trade law, they argued anyway). I mean the actual rule is you can't tax "similar" products differently if it raises the price for more foreign products (wine) relative to more domestic products (beer), so the foreign goods aren't on an equal playing field.
But the UK defense was that "British think wine is for special occasions, marriages and anniversaries, but beer is for any time. So we actually don't think of wine & beer in the same category; they're not competing products. So it's ok to tax wine more and it's not discrimination because they aren't "similar" like the rule requires." (Whereas of course in France they drink wine like water.) And probably they had some cross-price elasticity study to show it (i.e., CPE = A measure of, when you raise the price of A, at what price will people switch to B. The lower it is, the more they compete with each other as if indistinguishable. The higher it is, the more they scrap to hold on to what they want until they begrudgingly switch; so they don't compete so much. And sometimes they never switch. So apparently beer & wine has a relatively high rating, meaning they're not that in that much competition in the UK, at the time of the case anyway.)
But then the French came back with: "Yes, but Brits only think wine is special because it's so expensive *because of the tax*! Kill the tax so it's cheap as beer, and they'll start drinking it like beer." It actually wasn't a bad argument because they had some stats to show for it (when wine was cheaper, Brits did drink more of it), even though it amounts to French reading into Brit culture how they ought to drink... But it's the quirk of trade law that it has one country needing to read into the culture of another. I just thought it was interesting, the case really turned out to be a glimpse into drinking-culture, what is really intrinsic to your culture, and what is just an effect of the economics.
Is wine *really* special for you, or is it just because it's been expensive and you always import it? Or is the culture changing now that there's an improving UK domestic wine industry starting to blossom? Are people starting to drink wine more as an everyday drink? That's been happening in the US, with more quality US brands coming up. People probably drink "local" drinks more casually than if it's imported...
Neb on 28/9/2012 at 09:12
I'm surprised by how many people don't like them, but I love Belgian golden ales like Maredsous Blonde and Grimbergen Blonde. A few of those with a Sunday roast is magic.
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Carling is popular here. This tells you all you need to know about British taste in beer; it is unquestionably the most filthy shit drink out there.
"The taste of England." Literally, as in licking the pavement.
ToolHead on 28/9/2012 at 10:30
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Get yourself a Boon Guise instead.
Or perhaps a Boon
Geuze? ;-)
For Boon, go with the
Oude variants as they are way more interesting than his somewhat bland and sweetish younger lambic - some of which is actually artificially sweetened. 3 Fonteinen, Hanssens, Cantillon, Girardin (Girardin!) and De Cam are great lambic brewers/blenders that are really worth seeking out.
And slamming British beer in general is quite unfair. While the are many, many breweries (as is the case in most other countries) churning out bottled/kegged/casked blandness by the hectolitre, Crouch Vale, Meantime, Fuller's, Young's, and Brodies - to name a few - make consistently excellent beer. A well-handled Crouch Vale Brewer's Gold Extra from cask on a hot summer's day is a thing of utter beauty.
SubJeff on 28/9/2012 at 10:34
Quote Posted by Neb
I'm surprised by how many people don't like them, but I love Belgian golden ales like Maredsous Blonde and Grimbergen Blonde. A few of those with a Sunday roast is magic.
You and I would definitely be good suggestion foils for each other in the pub. Maredsous and Grimbergen? Yes and yes.
Here's a drinks menu from one of the little places I like to go to when I get the chance. We've been working our way through the menu, top to bottom.
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http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/309190_344102382346047_1232370445_n.jpg)
Some nights have been preeeetty unsteady. They do other drinks not on this menu too because of the time/cost of constantly updating.
There just isn't as good a selection as I'd like in most places but apparently there is a massive pub in London (with a copper ceiling?) that is full of continental beers. I'm planning to go next month some time.
I'll have to make a note of those Toolhead, though I'm sure I've tried some Fuller's and Young's productions and didn't like it at all. Especially Young's which a lot of my friends drink. Of course not
all British beer is poor - I do like Black Sheep ale and Riggwelter. And Old Tom.
PS.Have you tried Lambic Neb?
Vivian on 28/9/2012 at 10:49
Doom Bar is awesome, real british ale is awesome, there isn't anything from the continent or the US to really compare it to (don't get me wrong, pilsner and weissbeir and schwarzbeir and wheat beer and whatever else is also delicious, but it's apples and oranges). Also, go to the Brew Dog place in Camden if you want some quality british (scottish) beer.
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http://www.brewdog.com/bars/camden)
DDL on 28/9/2012 at 10:51
Damnit subjeff, I was getting all ready to say "pah, English Ales are rubbish? You clearly haven't tried Black Sheep or Riggwel...fuck."
(plus they're dead cheap at morrisons :p)
Briareos H on 28/9/2012 at 11:03
Drinking a St. Bernardus Abt 12 while reading the thread, realizing I have never tasted a real English ale :<
SubJeff on 28/9/2012 at 13:33
Quote Posted by DDL
Damnit subjeff, I was getting all ready to say "pah, English Ales are rubbish? You clearly haven't tried Black Sheep or Riggwel...fuck."
There is a place in my hometown where Black Sheep is occasionally a guest beer on tap. Project Badtimes. :cool:
Lol at Briareos drinking what is unquestionably a fine, fine sup whilst bemoaning not having had a British ale. Ok, to be fair there are some good ales over here. Doombar is lacklustre though and imho the only good thing that Sharps brewery does is the Orchard cider effort.
I realise I'm polarising things here but all imho.
Briareos, Neb, DDL, Toolhead, Ostriig - all welcome to join me at a bar anytime.
faetal, heywood, Vivian - DID YOU JUST SPILL MY PINT?!