rachel on 24/3/2009 at 15:52
Yeah me too. It's weird (to me) because I thought it totally did (make sense): the annoyed grunt, "Oh frak!" and bam. All was just right on character.
As New Horizon said, the actors know their characters best :)
d0om on 24/3/2009 at 17:09
They still didn't resolve why Adama had a note IN THE VERY FIRST EPISODE saying that there were 12 cylon models.
Where the frak did that come from?
You also have Kara(a ghost?) seeing her dad (another ghost?) and Adama and Tigh seeing her, but not the ghost of her dad. Kara is different to all the other ghosts as she can interact with people / drinks +eats + fraks etc while all the other ghosts only appear to specific people.
Also, her raptor which was in mint condition with the co-ordinates to Earth stored in it, where did that come from, was it a ghost too?
ZylonBane on 24/3/2009 at 17:25
Quote Posted by Thirith
It's funny - most of the people I've heard (read) that didn't like the finale felt that Cavil's death didn't make any sense and was a stupid writers' cop-out.
My experience has been the opposite. Even people who thought the finale sucked, at least agreed that that bit was pretty cool.
demagogue on 24/3/2009 at 19:29
Quote Posted by JediKorenchkin
- The idea that Hera held the key to humanity's survival never really made a lot of sense to me. Just by existing she had proved that human/cylon mating was possible. Going through all that to save her was cute, but in no way was her survival "super important". And then they find some natives that they can procreate with anyway.
Hera being midochondrial eve means that humanity bottle-necked through her, so that none of the other lines survived unless one of their descendents mated with one of her descendants ... she is the unifying link to every human alive today.
Sort of a dodgy idea, maybe, because I don't think it works unless there are just a few 1000 humans living nearby, not spread out. But I recall reading on wiki or something that the whole original idea of BSG was an "Adam" and "Eve" story of humanity renewing itself from individuals. They wanted Hera to be an outright Eve to restart all of humanity. For technical reasons, they had to have the other migrants and wanted a lost tribe of humans on Earth, then just worked with that.
Then her role isn't so much literally essential to the survival of humanity as it is that she ensures every human today has cylon ancestory in them and is hybrid, that Athena is literally the mother of all humanity. Then that may have some important thing to do with God's plan, or sense of irony ... or something? Or just a way to give everybody that story: humans make cylons, cylons kill humans, few left make human-cylon hybrid, hybrid repopulates planet, repeat.
Edit: Also there's that bit about keeping her away from the cylons so they don't figure out how to procreate ... which is sort of tangetially protecting humans (?), though that is a bit of a stretch to "saving" them, and again doesn't matter in the end since they just nuke the colony ship anyway.
New Horizon on 25/3/2009 at 14:07
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
My experience has been the opposite. Even people who thought the finale sucked, at least agreed that that bit was pretty cool.
It was Dean Stockwell's idea, he figured Cavil would know the were screwed.
Rug Burn Junky on 25/3/2009 at 14:35
Quote Posted by New Horizon
It was Dean Stockwell's idea, he figured Cavil would know the were screwed.
All this has happened before and it will happen again.
Rogue Keeper on 25/3/2009 at 14:55
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
Anyone reading this thread expecting not to be spoiled is mentally handicapped.
Mrrrh? :weird:
Banksie on 26/3/2009 at 03:10
Quote Posted by Thirith
Yes, added to which it didn't fit the series very well. The tone was off, it came across as smug - and in the end, I don't think that "Treat your robots well because otherwise they'll rise up against you!" was ever a main theme of the series. Yes, it was the starting point for the plot, but thematically the series has always been more about revenge and redemption, doing the right thing vs. getting the right (?) results, holding on to ethics during crises, humanity being its own worst enemy. The final five minutes made me think that the writers had a wobbly grasp on what their series was.
That isn't really what they were driving at. The ending sequence is really about the cycle potentially beginning again with humanity showing signs of developing something akin to a Cylon. Head Baltar even says as much with his comparison of Earth to Caprica, Kobol and the nuked Earth.
Remember the mini-series asked, in Adama's speech, what constitutes being worthy of existing as a civilisation? It strongly implied that humanity screwed up with their treatment of the Cylons as slaves and failed that validation of worth. The finale is really saying that now we have the same choice ahead of us, how are we going to pick? Head Six is optimistic that something this time will be different and Head Baltar is more fatalistic.
Banksie on 26/3/2009 at 03:31
Quote Posted by DaBeast
Babylon 5 was superior in almost every way.
You mean aside from having a filler fifth season whose only redeeming part was the episode transplanted from the end of the fourth season and grafted on the end. Or the pitiful conclusion of the Shadow/Vorlon war which boiled down to "Mummy, I am scared of the inter galactic void." - for both ancient races.
Don't get me wrong, I love Babylon 5 and a lot of what it attempted, but it definitely had its share of major flaws. Compared to the new BSG which had one duff episode in season two and a shaky tail half of season three then B5 isn't a shining icon of superiority.
Mr. K. on 27/3/2009 at 14:00
Quote Posted by Banksie
...Or the pitiful conclusion of the Shadow/Vorlon war which boiled down to "Mummy, I am scared of the inter galactic void." - for both ancient races.
As opposed to BSG's "God did it all", which is much more satisfying. :D
Also, what's with the prophetic opera house dream which was suppoused to be a glimpse of super awesome stuff which in the end turns out to just be a metaphor of people walking down Galactica in an utterly pointless way, seeing that everyone lands on "earth" ten minutes later without problems and in friendly terms, thus making the whole scene trivial and vacuous? Man, THAT was a disappointment.
