Sulphur on 12/4/2008 at 16:20
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No! Besides the fact that I absolutely detest & loathe that despicably slimy worm, he wants it too much! Maybe it's the sadist in me that wants to see him denied that which he covets most.
Aw. I actually feel sorry for the poor sod at times; it must feel awful lonely not being wanted by humans
or Cylons. I guess the writers gave him that cult of worshipers to make him feel a little wanted. :D
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But that was at the farms; I'm talking about originally, before the farms, before the Cylons' second invasion of Caprica.
I don't remember any hints being dropped previously in the show... or they were too subtle for me to catch. The Cylons probably did kidnap humans and work their evil plans on them. It's the obvious explanation, but then again, BSG's never been entirely obvious when it came to some plot twists, eh? :)
no. frakking. way. They've already done it with Tyrol and Tigh.
Tigh! :mad: I'd like it if they dug themselves out of that hole first. :D
Damn, I missed watching Razor. And I'm not going to be able to watch Season 4 for a while. Oh well, c'est la vie.
The_Raven on 12/4/2008 at 18:43
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It's the obvious explanation, but then again, BSG's never been entirely obvious when it came to some plot twists, eh?
Yeah, because they appear to be completely determined at random with absolutely no foreshadowing.
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What's wrong with Baltar being a Cylon? He's such an enjoyably flawed character, adding that to the mix would be even more entertaining to watch.
Baltar has been a bane on the show from the very beginning. I'm very surprised that there's anyone outside of the writers who like him. He's just a very stereotypical bumbling retard who would have died long ago from the suffocation of being stuck up his own ass if it weren't for the so called "Cylon god." An enjoyable, flawed character? No. How about a character who's despicable qualities are only matched by how pointless his monopolization of screen time has been. The only purpose his character seems to serve is to push this idea of a Cylon god and add gratuitous amounts of sex to the show. Yes, Baltar, take my fully functional nuclear warhead -even though you only asked for the fissionable material- with no questions asked. This guy is worse than Quark, who must have been the center of half of DS9's episodes.
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The problem I'm having with believing that is that from the beginning you're told that the male Cylons CAN'T REPRODUCE!!!!
That's not it, they've said that the Cylons themselves can't reproduce. The theory was that you need love in order to reproduce -what a load of crap- which would explain Hera and the Chief's kid.
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It would be the kind of twist at which the Galactica writers excel and have been throwing at us from day one.
Apparently, we are not watching the same show.
rachel on 12/4/2008 at 19:24
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The Cylons probably did kidnap humans and work their evil plans on them. It's the obvious explanation, but then again, BSG's never been entirely obvious when it came to some plot twists, eh?
I thought that's what part of
Razor was about, it was there in plain sight, the labs, the experiments with organic limbs and tissues and everything that "Husker" Adama discovers during the first Cylon war.
The most interesting part to me in this week's episode was
Six's coup and the new fracture into two Cylon factions. It's certainly going to be very interesting to follow.
EDIT: Scratch that, I just realized this
Razor example is a bad one, since Tigh was already around at the time... :weird:
The_Raven on 12/4/2008 at 19:41
Welcome to the "I noticed plot holes large enough to drive dump trucks through" club.
Plus, why the hell are they not able to make any more Cylon models? I take it the answer, if they even give one, will be tied into all the religious metaphysical shit going on. :rolleyes:
ignatios on 12/4/2008 at 19:42
It's possible that some humans are part (or fully) Cylon anyway from the previous iteration of the show's events. It could also help explain why the Cylons themselves don't even know the final five.
edit: The Cylons also mentioned the "original programmers" in this past week's episode; I don't think we've heard of them before.
Fafhrd on 12/4/2008 at 22:39
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I thought that's what part of
Razor was about, it was there in plain sight, the labs, the experiments with organic limbs and tissues and everything that "Husker" Adama discovers during the first Cylon war.
The most interesting part to me in this week's episode was
Six's coup and the new fracture into two Cylon factions. It's certainly going to be very interesting to follow.
EDIT: Scratch that, I just realized this
Razor example is a bad one, since Tigh was already around at the time... :weird:
But the Five predate the creation of the rest of the Cylons (Centurions, Raiders, hybrids and the 7 models) by a long way. The Eye of Jupiter temple was referred to as 'The Temple of the Five' and in that same two parter they mention the Five Priests of Athena or somesuch. The seven were almost certainly engineered from human tissue after the original hybrid experiment in the Razor flashback.
Sulphur on 13/4/2008 at 07:16
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Baltar has been a bane on the show from the very beginning. I'm very surprised that there's anyone outside of the writers who like him. He's just a very stereotypical bumbling retard who would have died long ago from the suffocation of being stuck up his own ass if it weren't for the so called "Cylon god." An enjoyable, flawed character? No.
He's not just
there on the show as an excuse for religious exposition, you know. He's an egotistical prick, and yes, a bit of a bumbling retard, but he's not a person whose character shades into the 'pure evil' bit of the spectrum.
He's done some unconscionable things*, but these have been due to how utterly
weak he is when he's forced to contend with bigger issues. He's short-sighted, prefers material gain over sacrifice, and would run out on you in the blink of an eye if it's a question of saving his own skin.
Those are very human tendencies, and it's interesting seeing Baltar's conscience wrestle with all the poor decisions he's made.
*And that nuclear warhead - he had no idea why he needed it at the time, he was persuaded into asking for it by the Six in his head. I'd question why Adama would so willingly to give it to Baltar in the first place, without so much as an explanation for its use in the Cylon tests.
Pyrian on 13/4/2008 at 08:43
I thought that was clear - he claimed he was comparing the specimens' radiation tolerance and needed a source of radiation he could use in a lab. ('Course, radiation in space is generally rather abundant, and good bomb-making fission material is relatively inactive until combined, so YMMV...)
Sulphur on 13/4/2008 at 09:21
Yes, that's fine... but an entire active warhead? Adama's not the kind of character that would just go ahead and give it to Baltar just like that. At least, I don't think so; even at that point, he probably didn't trust the man.
ignatios on 19/4/2008 at 16:40
holy fuck
