Sulphur on 6/4/2008 at 06:49

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As Fahfrd said, there's the (strong) possibility that the 13 tribes originated from Earth. It's the one explanation that makes the most sense to me given all the references.

And honestly, BSG's pretty down to earth when it comes to this shit, eh?

And sure, Star Wars is set in teh future. In a galaxy far, far away - so far, in fact, that its our own because at some point the Universe curves in on itself and you land up where you started. See? That's continuity for you, baby. :p

The_Raven on 6/4/2008 at 18:07

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It was buried under a chosen one, religious, ripped from the headlines wankfest. :p

I still don't buy that Kobol wasn't the original home of humanity, but was the first colony after a mass exodus from Earth. While it may be possible, the whole thing just doesn't seem right. The main problem is that the colonials still worship the Greek gods of old, so that would mean that the mass exodus would have happened around the time of the ancient Greeks. Then for some reason, a tribe from Kobol returns to Earth; even though the situation on Earth had reached the point to warrant a mass exodus in the first place. Then you would have to believe that all traces of even the most obscure myths of Earth had been erased from the colonial's collective history.



The premise of the original series, which so far hasn't been explicitly altered, was that there were 13 tribes on Kobol. All the tribes had a similar society to those of the ancient civilizations. 12 of them went on to established the twelve colonies, while the 13th left Kobol for a planet called Earth. After landing on Earth, they would then form the basis for "our" ancient civilizations and their advanced technology was forgotten overtime. There was probably some brief contact with the other colonies before the 13th tribe cut themselves off completely. While that view has its far share of problem too, I considered it as believable as the garden of Eden being located in Missouri. :p

This is the problem I have with the new series, its mythology is far too underdeveloped. You'd think that after three years, you would have some idea of how their timeline and backstory was laid out. In order to find information to back up my statements, I'd been perusing the Battlestar wiki. It reminded me of all the important shit that has been mentioned once, and then promptly abandoned. Remember all the skulls, the suicide of Athena, and the insinuations of human sacrifices on Kobol? Not to mention that we have no idea why Kobol was abandoned in the first place -its sun was dying in the original series. While the whole speech "Life here began out there" does sorta imply that Kobol might not have be the original birthplace of humanity, I chock that more up to fan service that ended up creating one of the many plotholes in the new series.

d0om on 8/4/2008 at 00:43

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I think its obviously an oscillatory cycle with people making cylons who then wipe out humanity and reform themselves in human form, and then go onto make cylons who wipe them out and ...

(all that has happened has happened before etc)

Dia on 12/4/2008 at 15:07

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The problem I'm having with believing that is that from the beginning you're told that the male Cylons CAN'T REPRODUCE!!!! So is little Nicky the Chief's kid or what? Serious contradiction here, unless I missed something (which is entirely possible). And, unless the heretofore unknown Five are 'special' models who can reproduce.

More Issues:
Forgive me if I'm repeating questions or remarks previously posted, but I don't have the time to go back over the last six pages. Also, I haven't watched last night's episode yet.

I can pretty much justify (to myself) how the newly-revealed Tori and Sam Cylons fit into the plot, but then I have a problem with history. Unless Adama's a Cylon too (which would be waaayyy too obvious imho), that means Saul had to have been a Cylon for at least the past 20-30 years, given their history together. And the Chief has been serving on the Galactica for years & other non-Cylons remember him from serving on another ship; so were the Cylons kidnapping actual humans and making Cylon clones of them from the beginning? (Yeah, another thing I probably missed, right?) But when Boomer's back on Caprica (in her apartment with Six) she claims that the picture of her & her parents is a lie, indicating that the Cylons invented their own human models; no cloning of humans involved. So which is it?

Also; I keep seeing D'anna (or however it's spelled) in the Eye of Jupiter Temple, when she's looking at one of the remaining Five and says, 'Forgive me, I didn't know'. It's the 'Forgive me' part that gets me. That indicates that she at one time behaved badly towards someone she didn't know was one of the Five. So with whom did she have contact close enough to behave badly? Another overly obvious hint that the 12th Cylon is Adama (but what about the fact that he's had two sons .....HELLO?) Well; at least we know it's not the Pres - I mean, afterall, she's dying of cancer and Cylons are resistant to diseases. OhGodpleasedon'tletitbethatlittleratbastardBaltar.

I also keep thinking about the rumor I heard that the Galactica fleet never reaches Earth. Now that would be a seriously major disappointment. Why, I'd just have to stop watching the series! ;) But it would tie-in neatly to the four newly-discovered Sleepers' missions of preventing the human race from ever reaching their destination. Of course, it seems Starbuck has the ability to accomplish that all on her own. And no, I don't think she's a Cylon. But the Cylons have obviously given her a special mission... or is she telling the truth? So just whose Armegeddon was the old Hybrid referring to: the Cylons' or humans'? He sounded pretty vague about it imo.

My Own Very Personal Theory:

What if the Cylons have reached Earth first and the survivors of the 13th Colony have reverted to Stone-Ageism? It's the whole 'One God' theory versus the Greek Gods myth thing that keeps nagging at me. Our archaeologists have said there's a 'missing link' in our evolution (unless the link was recently discovered while I was asleep and am therefore totally ignorant of this discovery, which wouldn't surprise me in the least); what if, in the series, it's the Cylons who provide that link by interbreeding with the survivors (or doing some genetic tampering) and thereby end up creating the human species as we know it? It would be the kind of twist at which the Galactica writers excel and have been throwing at us from day one. And it would also tie in with the all the ancient 'Gods from Outer Space' theories that abound. (No, I haven't been reading too much Von Daniken. :p )


Too many frackin' questions, if you ask me.


And I also think they should have made it a five-year series. Four is just not enough. :p

Dia on 12/4/2008 at 15:46

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No! Besides the fact that I absolutely detest & loathe that despicably slimy worm, he wants it too much! Maybe it's the sadist in me that wants to see him denied that which he covets most.



But that was at the farms; I'm talking about originally, before the farms, before the Cylons' second invasion of Caprica. Where did the original models come from? Did they kidnap humans and create Cylon clones from those humans, or did the Cylons just start from scratch with random human DNA?



Yeah; I'd forgotten about that. I just hope the writers don't throw us a serious curve and make the 12th model someone who's been previously rather obscure and unremarkable, like one of the deck crew or regular passengers. Or Dee. Or Gaeta.

;)