rachel on 2/4/2008 at 08:51
All their mythology is earthlike, they have the same 12 gods as our signs of the zodiac, the names Jupiter, Hera, Apollo etc. are all over the place... Frankly at this point a Bob Dylan song is not that far fetched.
I think the smart move would be to not explain it at all. "It's there, just deal with it."
Thirith on 2/4/2008 at 19:34
Quote Posted by Banksie
If they are showing scenes from the first Cylon war then they have to show the older style Cylons as the mini-series established that they looked like the Cylons from the first series. That level of fan service has been present in the series from the get go - including using the old theme music as well.
Yes, sure, but there's fan service, and there's silly metallic "By your command." Makes suspension of disbelief a hell of a lot more difficult for me.
Muzman on 2/4/2008 at 23:57
In the commentary for the last episode they said the idea was that the song or its words are deep in human culture and recurs from time to time (probably when there's going to be some big shift or something). Our myths and theirs are related so, there it is. Hopefully it doesn't mean they arrive in '65 and inspire it or something. Yeesh.
I am a little worried about this show as it gradually tipped over into whackiness. It's the same sort of feeling as after Matrix 2, sort of "I'm not sure I like where this seems to be going". It's fairly wide open but Razor gave me little hope. The show is generally great but every now and then, as people mention, there's some crappy stand alone episode with some terrible dilema which is a total waste of an interesting situation (Think of the one where whiny pilot guy has to go administer the disease outbreak; Why haven't we heard about this before or since? I am poisoned by The Wire now but this show could have woven itself a lot better, and for a show that prides itself on its "earthiness" the public only show up to be a nuisance to those in charge and/or provide an opportunity for sancimoniousness or cruelty). Razor was like the Degrassi Jr High movie of Battlestar, in taking all the worst things from the show and cramming them into ninety minutes; The introductions, the retconning, the OMG Military Moral Dilemmas, The bad yet heroic people making Tough Descisions and sacrifices and ...fuck off, in short. I hope it's an indication they got all that out of their system finally, rather then them starting as they mean to go on.
SubJeff on 4/4/2008 at 00:35
This is why I can't stand it and stopped watching it. All the new Star Treks were built from stand alones with an over-arching backbone. This was supposed to be continuous but ends up with random crap thrown in. I reckon it's just to flesh it out and if they can't bothered to flesh properly I can't be bothered to watch. Though I'll probably play catch up when I'm bored someday.
Thirith on 4/4/2008 at 14:10
Do I understand you properly that you consider a series that is only good to great 80% of the time a waste of your time? If so, what do you watch apart from a small selection of HBO series?
SubJeff on 4/4/2008 at 14:17
Well I don't have much time to watch TV so I stick to things that I really like. It's just no compelling/enjoyable enough, certainly not good to great 80% of the time to me. I know lots of people who love it though.
The_Raven on 4/4/2008 at 14:30
Quote Posted by Thirith
Do I understand you properly that you consider a series that is only good to great 80% of the time a waste of your time?
I beg to differ, I would say the the suck more than outweighs the good when it comes to the Battlestar remake. In fact, I can count on one hand the episodes that I really liked so far.
Thirith on 4/4/2008 at 14:55
And that is sad for you, but there is a reason why BSG is quite a critical success. Just because it majorly pisses off some people doesn't mean it's bad. In fact, most things that are genuinely good will have a number of people hating their guts. Anything that is liked by everyone will tend not to be very interesting, challenging or ambitious.
The_Raven on 4/4/2008 at 15:14
Ok, there's some hyperbole there; but I'm pretty sure the number of episodes that I've really liked are about 10 or so.
The thing is that I don't consider retarded love triangles or characters with more teenage angst than a ten year old on steroids to be particularly innovative. Flaw characters are great, the problem is that the characters seem to change at the drop of a hat instead of having any kind of organic growth. The show for the most part just seems to be an excuse to pull "post 9/11" situations out of the headlines in order to be "edgy" and "relevant." While the original series is still around today, I don't feel that the new one will survive the tests of time.
The funny thing is that this is one of the major complains I have about DS9 as well, though I didn't watch that show nearly as much. While I was in the second grade when DS9 premiered and was bored senseless, when I see repeats today, I find that the show is just too heavy handed when it comes to drawing situations from the real world. There was an episode from the early years that I saw not too long ago, it was about Bajorans collaborators returning to the homeland and being denied to live there, that just smacked of post-World War 2 mentalities to me. It would have been fine if I actually had to give it some thought in order to make the connection, but it was just too obvious and overt.
DaBeast on 4/4/2008 at 15:22
Quote Posted by The_Raven
The funny thing is that this is one of the major complains I have about DS9 as well, though I didn't watch that show nearly as much. While I was in the second grade when DS9 premiered and was bored senseless, when I see repeats today,
On DS9 and characters changing..., I can see this in some instances, particularly with Ducat, going from ambitious leader to crazy man in the space of 2 episodes was weak. And there are some things are annoy me about the plot, but they are present in all of the new Star Treks. I would still say DS9 is the best of all the ST, but I can't remember why.
