rachel on 28/3/2007 at 08:19
Loved that scene. Cavil is probably my favourite Cylon character, I hate the bastard but when he's there, you know you're in for good dialogue. :thumb:
Thirith on 28/3/2007 at 13:12
I just watched the second half of Crossroads part 2, and it worked very well for me. The whole sequence starting with the four characters in question going "There must be a way out of here...", "... said the joker to the thief..." etc. up to the very end gave me goosebumps.
[SPOILER]And the four characters' reactions, they ring true. These people are scared and angry. I don't think this changes them completely, as a person is made up by their actions first and foremost, but it does change the sort of stories they'll be telling with them. Which, to my mind, is absolutely fair. It's boring, lazy writing to keep telling the same story about the same characters. That's what many people disliked about many of the Starbuck episodes and sequences in season 3. Personally, I don't think BSG is a "more of the same" series at its best, so while they still might screw it up royally, I think there's a hell of a lot of potential in the developments in the season finale.[/SPOILER]
Keeper_Andrus on 28/3/2007 at 22:02
I've gotta say, "what are the odds that..." arguments suck, but that doesn't mean incredibly unlikely things don't detract from the show (I don't think this one will, though something like arriving at Kobol rather randomly, or the Eye of Jupiter episodes do, in my opinion). A much better question would be has Tigh always been a Cylon? He's well over 40. The Cylon war was 40 years ago, right? We've been led to believe that Cylon tech has advanced since then. The old Cylons were toasters. The new Cylons are prettier-looking toasters, and humans. So did the Cylons have human-Cylon tech 40 years ago? Or was Tigh a prisoner of war at some point, who got turned into a Cylon?
Also, the show has lots of metaphysical crap, but that has never been the show's main focus. Quite honestly, Battlestar tends to be a bit silly whenever they do anything about the main storyline. Whenever it's find the Eye of Jupiter, go to Kobol and the Tomb of Athena, send Starbuck back to Caprica, whenever it's these episodes the show is silly.
The show is at its best when it's not really doing that sci-fi crap. The show is at it's best when it is examing friendship, social and politica policies, fear, terrorism, race, and class. What makes many episodes of BSG great is that they are not sci-fi in the sense that the word has come to mean, but that they are social dramas set in a sci-fi universe, thus allowing us to examine how humans different, but not very different, from us react to and deal with situations very similar to what we encounter.
The good metaphysical crap is when they examine what it is to be human, when they examine how the fleet treats captured cylons. They did this very well with Sharon when we saw her assimilated with the Galactica's crew.
If the writers manage to abandon the mysticism and religious crap, then the fourth season could be truly great. We would get to see Adama's unwavering loyalty to his best friend tested, the leadership's treatment of a new half-cylon-half-human child, one whose parents already know it exists, and after it has been shown that there were huge downsides to tricking Sharon.
Anyway, one of the best (if not the best- I would have to re-watch them to decide, I did like the tensions of the trial, and I thought that the adminral's not guilty vote was wonderful, and very much in the spirit of his character), one of the best episodes of this season was the one in which Tyrol led a strike for the mining ship. That's the kind of episode that makes the show great.
Btw, if Starbuck isn't a Cylon, I'm gonna be pissed. That'll be some suspension of disbelief shattering crap if she managed to live through that storm.
Edit: For the record, the show also rocks with battle scenes. Miniseries battle scene was so awesome.
rachel on 29/3/2007 at 11:34
Quote Posted by Keeper_Andrus
Or was Tigh a prisoner of war at some point, who got turned into a Cylon?
It's canon that humanoid Cylons are all "originals". None of them is a clone of an existing human. That's why the revelation for Tigh is both borderline genius and borderline shark-jumping. He's been around for 40 years, and the Seven only started infiltrating the Colonies around two years prior to the second Cylon war.
As far as the "they're all on the same boat, how comes?" thing, they were not all on it. Only Tyrol and Tigh were assigned on
Galactica, Tory Foster, the President's aide, was part of the admin staff of some planet and Anders was a pro Pyramid player. They have both through various circumstances been gathered on Galactica
after the war. Anders was brougth in by Starbuck (what a coincidence...) and Foster replaced Billy after he was killed.
Rug Burn Junky on 29/3/2007 at 17:56
Tigh being a Cylon has to be a little bit better than the bad impersonation of Billy Bob Thornton in Sling Blade that he's been doing for most of the past season.
Biscuits and gravy mrrrm hrrrm.
Aerothorn on 29/3/2007 at 19:38
Oh, thanks for the spoilers, guys. I check in here for some dates and bam, big spoiler. Grrr.
Jonesy on 29/3/2007 at 21:39
Quote Posted by Thelink
Am I the only one who remembers Tyrol having dreams of bein' a frakkin' cylon?
Chief Tyrol: How do you know I'm human?
Brother Cavil: Oh, well, maybe because I'm a Cylon and I've
never seen you at any of the meetings. Fringe on 30/3/2007 at 04:19
Quote Posted by Aerothorn
Oh, thanks for the spoilers, guys. I check in here for some dates and bam, big spoiler. Grrr.
If the past page of nothing but spoilered-out text wasn't enough of a hint...
jtr7 on 30/3/2007 at 07:21
It can all be explained with time-travel.
The Five are the first cylons to evolve far enough to have a soul.
They went into the past to set everything in place, and in motion to assure their future.
Tigh's missing eye was the inspiration for the toaster's single red eye.
And...
I'M KIDDING!
Wheee...!:p
Aerothorn on 30/3/2007 at 16:20
Quote Posted by Fringe
If the past page of nothing but spoilered-out text wasn't enough of a hint...
I hopped to the last page:P
