Chimpy Chompy on 27/3/2007 at 15:30
Oh he has a point, he's just grumpily repeating it a few times. :p
I'm undecided on this big revelation, but I'll give Ron Moore a chance to make something good out of it...
Malygris on 27/3/2007 at 16:04
I'm actually just trying to avoid being drawn into a big, nerderrific and entirely unwinnable argument over something that hasn't even happened yet.
But since I don't want people to think I'm leaving on a sour note, I will reiterate: I don't think there's any good way to explain Tigh, Tyrol, Sam and Tori as Cylons, regardless of how you define Cylon; I don't think there's any good way to explain how all these Cylons of various stripes have somehow miraculously come together on the last surviving battlestar and out of the tiny percentage of the Colonial population that survived the Cylon onslaught; and I'm really looking forward to seeing how this Cylon revelation is brought out by a Bob Dylan song. (I know I referred to it as a Hendrix tune earlier, so at the very least I suppose I can say I've learned something from all this.)
What I do think is that Moore and co. have allowed the metaphysical aspects of the show, hinted at from time to time by a couple of the Cylon characters, to spin out of control into something far greater than it has any business being.
You will note that I haven't said that any of the above can't be done, only that I'm not seeing how it can be done without turning the whole thing into a greasy plate of microwavable cheeze. I may be proved wrong, I certainly hope I am, and my ass will be parked in front of the television along with everyone else (in January of next fucking year) to see how things develop. I'd be thrilled to find out that this was all part of the plan, that Moore has a great and enthralling story to tell and that this is all part of it, and that when it's over I'll be knocked on my ass not just by the survival odyssey of the human race, but by the stimulating examination of the nature of God and a redefinition of what it means to be human. That'd be fan-fucking-tastic. I'm just not holding my breath.
also: I guess if you've read this far you're way past the point of spoilage, and I'm really tired of those damn tags, so, you reads the thread, you takes your chances.
rachel on 27/3/2007 at 16:50
I'm sort of with Malygris here actually, I loved the twist though I saw it coming, yet I'm curious as to how they are going to explain it satisfyingly.
And although the Cylons did jump out of hyperspace right on top of them in that godamn prophetized nebula, that last twist with Starbuck really took me by surprise. Not because she's alive, but I thought she'd be coming back in Season 4, I didn't expect her to show up that soon...
And I can't fucking believe I have to wait ONE YEAR. What happened to September releases ffs? :grr: :(
Hier on 27/3/2007 at 17:30
I'm certainly open to the metaphysical aspects of the show but I'm with Mal on this, I really didn't don't think there's a decent way to explain Tyrol and Tigh being cylons. The other two I don't care about.
And aside from that, I'm just plain disappointed. Tyrol and Tigh were two of my favourite characters; Tigh because he was a genuinely conflicted character with deep personal flaws that made the show that much more realistic to me (as opposed to Star Trek, where everybody is perfect) and Tyrol because he was a down-to-earth gearhead with a likable personality.
Where the show goes with this I don't know, and they may override my disappointment with some great ideas, but right now I'm not happy. :(
Thirith on 27/3/2007 at 17:37
Quote Posted by Hier
And aside from that, I'm just plain disappointed. Tyrol and Tigh were two of my favourite characters; Tigh because he was a genuinely conflicted character with deep personal flaws that made the show that much more realistic to me (as opposed to Star Trek, where everybody is perfect) and Tyrol because he was a down-to-earth gearhead with a likable personality.
I'm not sure I get your disappointment, though. Why can't they still be two of your favourite characters? Isn't a character mostly defined by his or her actions?
(I can't think of an example right now, but I can easily imagine a sci-fi or fantasy novel where a down-to-earth character comes to realise at one point that he's actually a God, and I see a lot of potential in that story. Same sort of thing is going on here. The person doesn't change that much, but how the character sees himself, and that's - potentially - fascinating.)
Digital Nightfall on 27/3/2007 at 17:46
Quote Posted by raph
And I can't fucking believe I have to wait ONE YEAR. What happened to September releases ffs? :grr: :(
It's because they're doing a TV/DVD feature length "movie/episode" which will be airing/released around that time.
Hier on 27/3/2007 at 18:18
Quote Posted by Thirith
I'm not sure I get your disappointment, though. Why can't they still be two of your favourite characters? Isn't a character mostly defined by his or her actions?
Well even though the new plotlines may be great, the characters have fundamentally changed. You're not going to get the same kind of conflicts with Tigh's character flaws, not after this. There were other minor characters, for example Helo or Dualla, that could have been revealed to be cylons and I wouldn't have cared. But I'm disappointed that the Tigh and Tyrol have now drastically been altered.
It may turn out to be a great change, who knows. But after the end of season 1 and 2 I thought "Holy crap, things can't get much worse, how do they get out of this?" But the season 3 cliffhanger has created a very different reaction from me. I'll still watch season 4 of course, but mostly out of a hope that they don't screw this up.
rachel on 27/3/2007 at 19:02
Quote Posted by Hier
There were other minor characters, for example Helo or Dualla, that could have been revealed to be cylons and I wouldn't have cared. But I'm disappointed that the Tigh and Tyrol have now drastically been altered.
Regardless of how this will end, I think that's precisely why they were revealed as Cylons and not Helo or Dualla.
*nerd mode* (Besides, Helo can't be a Cylon, because Boomer/Athena is one. 100% Cylon babies don't exist)*/nerd mode*
Thelink on 28/3/2007 at 02:51
Am I the only one who remembers Tyrol having dreams of bein' a frakkin' cylon? He thought he was a cylon in the first season FF(raks)S. HA! I refuse your spoiler tags for season 1 plot threads. :devil: muwahahaha.
At any rate, he was being counseled by Dean Stockwell about this very subject?
DS: But that's not really it either, is it? What you're really worried about is the fact that you might be a cylon. Isn't that the thought that keeps racing through your head? "I'm a cylon like Sharon and I deserve to die!"
Fafhrd on 28/3/2007 at 07:53
That was season 2, actually.
