Marecki on 20/11/2009 at 21:59
You know, the more I read about (some) Republicans' attitude towards Obama I feel Orson Scott Card has got a point when he speaks in the epilogue of Empire how strongly and hatefully polarised the US have become... Then again, while in his opinion both the left and the right wing are equally at fault, it feels to me so far the latter have stooped to much, much lower tricks.
Aerothorn on 20/11/2009 at 22:46
Quote Posted by Marecki
You know, the more I read about (some) Republicans' attitude towards Obama I feel Orson Scott Card has got a point when he speaks in the epilogue of
Empire how strongly and hatefully polarised the US have become...
It's worth noting that Card himself is a right-wing idealogue who tends to make inflammatory statements. Check out this gem explaining why he was voting for Bush in 2004:
"I'm a Democrat voting for Bush, even though on economic issues, from taxes to government regulation, I'm not happy with the Republican positions. But we're at war, and electing a president who is committed to losing it seems to be the most foolish thing we could do."
Plus, the description of
Empire sounds a little...um...polarized itself. From Publisher Weekly:
"Right-wing rhetoric trumps the logic of story and character in this near-future political thriller about a red-state vs. blue-state American civil war, an implausibly plotted departure from Card's bestselling science fiction (Ender's Game, etc.). When the president and vice-president are killed by domestic terrorists (of unknown political identity), a radical leftist army calling itself the Progressive Restoration takes over New York City and declares itself the rightful government of the United States. Other blue states officially recognize the legitimacy of the group, thus starting a second civil war. Card's heroic red-state protagonists, Maj. Reuben "Rube" Malek and Capt. Bartholomew "Cole" Coleman, draw on their Special Ops training to take down the extremist leftists and restore peace to the nation. The action is overshadowed by the novel's polemical message, which Card tops off with an afterword decrying his own politically-motivated exclusion from various conventions and campuses, the "national media elite" and the divisive excesses of both the right and the left."
Kaleid on 20/11/2009 at 23:26
This happened..
(
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/21/republican_testosterone_drop/) Republican men hormonally emasculated by US election
Obama win sees GOP testosterone plunge, 'submissiveness'
(
http://rawstory.com/2009/11/100-new-militia-groups/) 100 new militia groups since Obama elected; watchdog alarmed
"In a re-run of the phenomenon seen when President Bill Clinton took office, gun-rights advocates, libertarians, survivalists and others are forming militias as a symbol of their resistance to what they see as an administration that threatens to restrict their right to bear arms and expand government control over the lives of private citizens."In other words, the
black helicopters are back.
(
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/08/19/gop-blame-obama-recession/)
Two-thirds of GOP blame Obama for recession
(
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/05/20/obama-poll-radical/) Poll: 91% of conservatives think Obama is socialist, Marxist, communist or fascist
And I haven't yet mentioned the birthers, palling with terrorists, death panels, re-education camps, NWO, death threats up 4x since Bush... :rolleyes:
dreamcatcher on 21/11/2009 at 04:45
Quote Posted by demagogue
lots of relevant info
god i love your demagoguery, it's always pertinent. :D
CCCToad on 21/11/2009 at 05:57
Something to keep in mind is that election fraud is fairly widespread in American History. Stealing an election is nothing unique or new, and stating that the American voting process is a relatively incorrupt process save for (insert evil party/politician/organization's) efforts only shows that the person saying that is both stunningly naive and ignorant.
Sidenote: I feel I should explain the difference between voter and election fraud. Voter fraud refers to attempts by individual voters(though it may be many individual voters) to alter the vote while election fraud refers to more large scale , centrally organized vote fraud. For example, a group of people who register under a false name to vote twice would be voter fraud while (as happened in Georgia) hundreds of deceased residents rising from the grave to vote would be election fraud.
I went through the trouble of re-locating an article that provides a good idea of exactly how routine election fraud is. I don't have a weblink as this article is published in a peer reviewed journal, but if you have access to an academic database here's the APA citation:
"Gumbel, A. (2008). Election Fraud and the Myths of American Democracy. Social Research, 75(4), 1109-1134. Retrieved from Academic Search Complete database"
Aerothorn on 21/11/2009 at 11:00
Oh, no one is arguing that election fraud happens on a regular basis in the United States. What we're talking about is the complete and utter lack of evidence for Obama and/or members of The Powers That Be creating 9+ million votes out of mid-air. Bush et als. election fraud only worked because of various circumstances that led to the election being decided in Florida, and even then A. some of it was almost certainly accidental (butterfly ballots) and thus merely fortunate for him, and B. he lost the popular vote, FWIW.
Enchantermon on 21/11/2009 at 14:53
That didn't actually happen, did it?
Trance on 21/11/2009 at 15:10
Of course it did. Why would it be fake?
