Aerothorn on 19/11/2009 at 22:29
From a (
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/11/acorn.html) Public Policy Polling poll:
"PPP's newest national survey finds that a 52% majority of GOP voters nationally think that ACORN stole the Presidential election for Barack Obama last year, with only 27% granting that he won it legitimately....Overall 62% of Americans think Obama legitimately won the election."
I'm actually shocked by this. I've always thought of the birther/ACORN crazies as sort of an extreme arm of the Republican party, but if that 27% number is right...they're the majority of it. And as for the 62%, that's....really, really low. Like, I'm guessing Bush had better numbers than that, in 2004 is not in 2000. Ouch.
What do you guys think is behind the rise of the perception of "stolen elections?"
Rug Burn Junky on 19/11/2009 at 22:55
I give it until about post 28 until part of that crazy 52%/38% pops its head up in this thread.
Trance on 19/11/2009 at 22:58
Of course he stole the election, HE'S BLACK
Aerothorn on 19/11/2009 at 22:59
Admittedly, I was surprised by the amount of global warming deniers in "that other poll thread," but at least they have a few skeptical scientists to point to; whereas I have not seen a single smidgen of evidence that ACORN/Obama/whoever stuffed 9+ million votes.
CCCToad on 20/11/2009 at 00:45
Pretty much.
Acorn is powerful as an organizing force, and while they were responsible for quite a few fraudulent registrations, those registrations also need someone to go and cast a vote to go with it. I don't doubt that ACORN is an enormously corrupt institution, but enough vote fraud to steal an election that big requires raw manpower that ACORN simply doesn't have.
I'd sooner believe that the electronic voting machines stole the election. For example, there was one programmer (Clinton Curtis), who stated that he was asked to write a program to alter election results in favor of the Republican party, and HBO was able to hack an in-use voting machine for their documentary.
edit: Found the video on youtube. The title is as sensationalist as you might expect from a user uploaded video : (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEzY2tnwExs) I'd be interested to hear from anyone who actually is a programmer on this one.
Besides which, it wasn't really necessary to steal the election. We were coming off of Bush, fresh off of Bush's bailout efforts doing a lot to reinforce the popular image of Republicans as being big business cronies, and Obama was running against one of the most un-inspiring tickets in recent history (except maybe Gore, 2000 was truly a "lesser of two evils" election).
Scots Taffer on 20/11/2009 at 00:48
Quote Posted by Trance
Of course he stole the election, HE'S BLACK
Pretty sure continues to steal commemorative pens from the Oval Office every time he goes to work, just out of habit.
PeeperStorm on 20/11/2009 at 01:26
Just who is Public Policy Polling, and what is their agenda?
Thief13x on 20/11/2009 at 02:21
Quote Posted by Trance
Of course he stole the election, HE'S BLACK
he's not THAT black:p
Starrfall on 20/11/2009 at 02:26
Quote Posted by CCCToad
Acorn is powerful as an organizing force, and while they were responsible for quite a few fraudulent registrations,
Acorn actually identified a lot of registration cards it thought were invalid when it turned them in. They were submitted by shady employees who were trying to meet thier quotas. Acorn had to submit even the cards it thought they were falsified because it is not authorized to make the call. Then, once they were confirmed to be false, republicans started screaming their heads off and here we are.
I don't doubt at all that they missed some of the false cards, but if this was some vast conspiracy someone should have told them not to tell the feds about the cards they thought were falsified.
If you want to complain about the fact that they had quotas at all or their crappy hiring practices that's another thing.
CCCToad on 20/11/2009 at 02:56
link?
I don't know the details, I just remember hearing about how they submitted some obviously false registrations. Plus, thinking Acorn is corrupt is an opinion that only gets more strongly reinforced as time goes on, rather than the other way round.
