Krush on 7/6/2017 at 13:37
I don't see how you can compare strict immigration control with violating human rights. No one has a "right" to enter the UK, France or really any other nation.
You demand to enter my house. I say no. Have I violated your human rights?
Also I think Europe will soon reach a point where they will be presented with a choice: Hold to their principles of religious freedom, diversity, multiculturalism and open borders...or stay alive. I assume they will choose to stay alive.
Vivian on 7/6/2017 at 14:37
To adapt your metaphor Krush, what if there was a bunch of people outside your house trying to kill me with a rock, and you wouldn't let me in?
Krush on 7/6/2017 at 15:07
I would at least have the ability to make the choice. Maybe I don't believe that those people are really going to kill you, and you seem too dangerous to let inside. Maybe it's a private dispute between you and those people, and my family's safety is more important than getting involved in YOUR dispute.
Many of the migrants are just coming to get work (or get on the dole), and not because they are in genuine danger. The average European was not given the choice. And even if some of them do need help...that doesn't mean Europeans have to keep helping, now that they are being slaughtered by bad ones who came in mixed with the ones who did need help.
Vivian on 7/6/2017 at 16:09
"Maybe it's a private dispute"? I don't think that's an excuse!
Krush on 7/6/2017 at 16:12
The Brits don't need an "excuse" to take action to save their own lives. Geez....
Vivian on 7/6/2017 at 16:13
Anyways, to my mind, the big problem we've got is foreign wars and our willingness to participate in them. Thats the only real logical trigger I can think of for any of this shit. Cultural differences are a factor, but no-one gets convinced they should blow up a bunch of kids solely because they don't like bikinis, it's not how humans work. We need tighter control on our bombing habit more than we need it on our borders or our internet.
Starker on 7/6/2017 at 16:26
Quote Posted by Krush
I don't see how you can compare strict immigration control with violating human rights. No one has a "right" to enter the UK, France or really any other nation.
If you ban people based on religion alone (or ethnicity), you are violating human rights.
Krush on 7/6/2017 at 16:27
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but no-one gets convinced they should blow up a bunch of kids solely because they don't like bikinis, it's not how humans work.
These guys aren't attacking your people because they don't like bikinis. They are fighting a war against you. This is how Islam has behaved for over a thousand years. They want everything you have - the land, gold, women, the whole enchilada.
If you're willing to peacefully surrender and give it all to them, then fine (and your leaders are willing). If not, they will be happy to slaughter every last one of you.
You have three choices:
1) Convert to Islam
2) Expel all muslims from your land
3) Choose not to fight and be slaughtered until the last few remnants are made into slaves.
Make the choice soon. Although even converting to Islam will not stop the bombing and fighting, because factions within Islam still attack each other.
Sulphur on 7/6/2017 at 16:32
That's ridiculous. You can't confuse the actions of a group of terrorists with the mindset of an entire religion, the vast majority of which live peacefully all over the planet, unless you're actively looking for reasons to be racist and/or a bigot.
Krush on 7/6/2017 at 16:41
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If you ban people based on religion alone, you are violating human rights.
What a strange argument. This is simply not true. Also as I said, sticking to your principles may seem fine to you now, but the Brits who have had to wash little girls' shredded flesh out of their hair might not see it so clearly.
Right now the frequency of muslim attacks seems to be about one a week. You seem comfortable with that for now. But will you still be comfortable it it rises to twice or three times a week? What about daily?
