Goldmoon Dawn on 7/6/2017 at 21:09
Quote Posted by Renzatic
The thing is, the vast majority of Muslims, at least here in the US, have well adapted to our culture. We've millions of them living here natively
Not in the Milwaukee/Chicago region. Muslims in this region are exactly as Daxim described. Secretive and keep to themselves. I have never had a problem with it, and have befriended most of the ones I see everyday.
Conversation is *extremely* minimal, as they obviously have their own complete culture, here in America, and again behind closed doors. Then again, the region I live and work in is pretty racist in general so yeah.
Lotsa slums in the damn big cities, what a shame really.
The problem is painting the illusion that "the vast majority have well adapted to our culture". That is just not accurate, at least where I live. They have well learned how to live in our country all right, but "adapted to our culture"???
I dont see that at all.
WOW, welcome back Daxim!
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Renzatic on 7/6/2017 at 21:16
That's anecdotal evidence. It might be true of your particular experiences, but that doesn't make it a universal truth.
Around here, the handful of Muslims I see are women driving around in big ass SUVs, and buy CDs at the hipster trendy used media store off the interstate. The only reason I can even tell they're Muslims is because they always wear their hijabs, and apply more eyeliner than usual.
So is my experience more truthful than yours?
Goldmoon Dawn on 7/6/2017 at 21:17
I dont know why, but that made me laugh.
Vae on 7/6/2017 at 21:24
[video=youtube;irLy7cJz_mY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irLy7cJz_mY[/video]
Starker on 7/6/2017 at 21:31
I still haven't gotten an answer to whether we should we start banning all nationalists because of violent extremist nationalists like Breivik.
If there has to be a ban on muslims, surely we can't overlook other "sources" of violent extremism.
heywood on 7/6/2017 at 22:44
Quote Posted by Daxim
I'd let anybody in, provided their acting upon religion and ideology does not interfere with the established baseline. Religious freedom is obviously less important than compatibility of culture and values
Religious freedom is one of the most fundamental freedoms. In a free society, cultural compatibility is a nice thing to have, but it's not something you take away fundamental freedoms to achieve. Besides, the country I live in has always been multicultural and we've assimilated one supposedly incompatible culture after another. We expect immigrants to have respect and tolerance for other cultures, and live by our laws and legal traditions. So no Sharia law for example. If they can do that, they're as compatible as any other culture. The vast majority of Muslims living here don't have any problem with it. And from a practical standpoint we need their help in rooting out the nutjobs.
Trance on 7/6/2017 at 22:55
You know, by now the point that the majority of muslims living in western countries are perfectly well-adjusted people living normal lives has been reiterated to a ridiculous degree. In my view, that ought to be a salient enough point to defeat the notion of banning all members of that faith from entry into a country because of the actions of a few. Is Krush et al. simply ignoring this point, or have they somehow consistently missed it, or...?
Is it that you guys don't believe the majority of muslims in western countries, refugees included, are just regular people who want a peaceful spot to live and raise their kids in? Do you not believe that people who move to another country to live there are capable of adjusting to the ways of their new home? Or is it just muslims in particular you consider incapable of that?
Renzatic on 7/6/2017 at 23:00
To play Devil's Advocate for a second, I don't think it's necessarily that they believe all Muslims are evil by default, so much that even one terrorist slipping through a group of 100,000 is one terrorist too many. It's better to ban the whole than to deal with the potential consequences.
It's somewhat cowardly, and incredibly overkill, but there is a kind of cold logic to it.
Goldmoon Dawn on 7/6/2017 at 23:16
Quote Posted by Renzatic
and incredibly overkill
That reminds me of this:
[video=youtube;6vLSoU0E07M]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vLSoU0E07M[/video]
Goldmoon Dawn on 7/6/2017 at 23:44
I know why it made me laugh now. :)
Quote Posted by Renzatic
So is my experience more truthful than yours?
I dont know Mr. Bubble, you tell me!
Quote Posted by Renzatic
the vast majority of Muslims, at least here in the US, have well adapted to our culture.
Think about it, you got this. ;)
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