Tels on 29/3/2002 at 15:42
No replies and silly voters - but at least one voted for me, hehe
xman on 29/3/2002 at 17:45
That's democracy, man. :p
You can't propose a vote if you don't respect the resulting votes. :)
I for one don't like linux. However, I hope that some day, I'll like it because I like the philosophy behind it. But, even though it has improved tremendously since its beginning, and in spite of some interesting qualities that Windows has not, I still think that Linux and most of the utilities that come with it, suck big time (it isn't user-friendly, it is masochist-friendly). :ebil:
Tels on 30/3/2002 at 01:30
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That's democracy, man.
You can't propose a vote if you don't respect the resulting votes.
Some wouldn't know sarcasm even if it bit him into the nose.
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I for one don't like linux. However, I hope that some day, I'll like it because I like the philosophy behind it. But, even though it has improved tremendously since its beginning, and in spite of some interesting qualities that Windows has not, I still think that Linux and most of the utilities that come with it, suck big time (it isn't user-friendly, it is masochist-friendly).
I don't know under which rock you lived, but my last system setup (about 2 weeks ago, using an already outdated SuSE 7.3 (read: 8.0 is due and likely much better again) was *MUCH* easier than any windows setup. I had to install windows 98 se just for 2 or three games and for watching some quicktime movie trailers. If I could play movies under Linux (which you aparently now can thanx to corssover) and play games, I would never need to boot to windows again.
I strongly sugest you check out a modern distribution - it is so easy, configurable and painless even for beginners that it blows windows away.
Not to speak of the horrible security problems of windows, the dreaded EULA crap, the spyware, the macro and other viruses (which makes a virus scanner a must), the horrible file system (which needs weekly massaging with defrag) etc etc.
But thats of-topic, of course, meaning I will no longer reply to any question of "A is better than B".
Tels
[Addition: It is 4 am local time, I am up all nite to modify my spam filter (curse spammers) and hack together a spam statistic (
http://bloodgate.com/spams/) - so forgive me if my msg above sounded rude. Just imagine a smiley in each line :-]
twisty on 30/3/2002 at 01:43
Despite Tels current obsession that everyone else camps under rocks, I agree with some of his opinions about Linux. However, I've never bothered to use it as an entertainment platform and until photoshop and visual studio come to Linux (not to mention that I can't get my pen tablet or scanner to work) , I will continue to have windows on my hard drive.
Tels on 30/3/2002 at 03:05
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Despite Tels current obsession that everyone else camps under rocks,
But isn't that the entire theme of Underworld, Arx etc? :-P
Twisty: About photoshop etc under Linux:
I *think* it may be possible to run this now, check out (
http://www.codeweavers.com/) - Office and IE runs now, so Photoshop should also be possible (or follow soon). Although I really don't see how it can work to run unstable apps in an unstable emulation :-P I see that as a shortterm solution it is desirable.
Apart, there is always Gimp (
http://www.gimp.org/) - and Sane (Scanner libraries) - although I do not know whether they offer anything you need.
I agree, however, that not all (types of) applications are available natively, but that is hardly the fault of the kernel hackers, not the KDE or Gnome teams. The amount of work that get's poured into these free (as in speech, not as in beer, though most of the times you get it for free) works is insane. And the things that already run are just mind-boggling (heh, I remember the times were it was all text console hacking, now I configured my entire system without touching a text file at all :-P
Okay, now we are definitely off-topic ;)
twisty on 30/3/2002 at 06:21
Thanks for the link Tels. I will look into it at some stage, but for the moment I think I'll just stick to multiboot.
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Originally posted by Tels
...The amount of work that get's poured into these free (as in speech, not as in beer, though most of the times you get it for free)... Free beer:wot: . Not in my part of town it isn't. I don't remember it being very free in Germany either, but the quantity available was always sufficient.
Tels on 30/3/2002 at 06:33
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Free beer . Not in my part of town it isn't. I don't remember it being very free in Germany either, but the quantity available was always sufficient.
LOL. I was refering to the software beeing free. But you can't drink software. Now, free beer, that would be something..yam, yam - it's quite expensive here to go out drinking.
Tels
xman on 30/3/2002 at 11:27
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Originally posted by Tels Some wouldn't know sarcasm even if it bit him into the nose.That's your case dude! :p
I thought that 3 smileys in my short post were enough to tell you I was just teasing you.
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Originally posted by Tels I don't know under which rock you lived, but my last system setup (about 2 weeks ago, using an already outdated SuSE 7.3 (read: 8.0 is due and likely much better again) was *MUCH* easier than any windows setup. I had to install windows 98 se just for 2 or three games and for watching some quicktime movie trailers. If I could play movies under Linux (which you aparently now can thanx to corssover) and play games, I would never need to boot to windows again.Well... You are talking about living under a rock and you speak about an OS that is 4 years old? I'm using Windows XP under my rock. And I didn't need more than 1 install for it to work properly.
I don't want to discuss more about Linux though as:
1 - it's off topic
2 - if you like it and use it, that's just fine for me.
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Originally posted by Tels I strongly sugest you check out a modern distribution - it is so easy, configurable and painless even for beginners that it blows windows away.I did not try the latest but a 1-year old one (which isn't that old, you'll admit). And it's just a pain in the ass to configure my screen. Either I destroy my eyes at a low refresh rate or I destroy my screen at a too high one. Before writing such useless or anti-user-friendly apps as most of the ones available for Linux, they should take care of the basics!!! The same goes with configuring my SCSI CD burner, my parallel Zip drive, my scanner, my French keyboard, my 3-button mouse, everything is a pain in the arse to configure... Sorry to say that but I don't wanna take 10 hours to configure an OS that I won't use anyway because all its apps suck.
Do I sound rude? OK. Here are smileys to ease the pain. ;) :) :cool: :joke: :cheeky: :p
But now, if you like Linux, that's FINE.
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Originally posted by Tels Not to speak of the horrible security problems of windows,I agree with you on that one and probably on several other points.
But the risks are very low, I don't have ultra confidential data that would interest hackers and I don't share my personal computer with more than 1 other person so I don't really care. What I want is user-friendliness and a lot of usefull apps and games that work. Windows has it. Linux doesn't. I'm not criticizing the kernel of Linux (which is great) but everything that is around it.
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Originally posted by Tels But thats of-topic, of course, meaning I will no longer reply to any question of "A is better than B".So shall I, too. :)
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Originally posted by Tels [Addition: It is 4 am local time, I am up all nite to modify my spam filter (curse spammers) and hack together a spam statistic (http://bloodgate.com/spams/) - so forgive me if my msg above sounded rude. Just imagine a smiley in each line :-] So did I. ;)
xman on 30/3/2002 at 11:53
Linux has its pros and cons, and so does Windows.
Everything is a question of what drawbacks you can do with and what advantages you can't do without. I for one prefer Windows. You prefer Linux. It's just a matter of taste.
And all I hope is that both OSes will continue to evolve in the good direction because that's this "competition" that makes them improve.
I also hope that you'll find a way to run Arx under Linux if you really want to.
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