Jason Moyer on 21/2/2009 at 17:29
I wouldn't personally accuse Pink Floyd of selling out, at least not any more than other band that radically alters their style and starts playing to tens of thousands of trendy fucks in arenas. Alright, maybe I would.
I also think Roger Waters is essentially the definition of an egotistical prick, and his treatment of Syd was pathetic and inexcusable. I have tons of respect for the other 3 members of the band, though.
fett on 21/2/2009 at 19:56
Quote Posted by snauty
every other year any style is considered soon to be dead by some hype journalism. why care?
Though I cringe at post Final Cut Floyd, I wouldn't say they sold out. They were just happy old men doodeling away.
Furthermore:
Rush good
King Crimson good
Yes good till 80
Genesis good till 74
Dream Theater bad bad bad why bother when there's Tool?
Thank you and have a nice Weekend.
If you think there's even a slight relationship between what DT has done over the last 20 years and what Tool has done over the course of 2 albums (yes I'm counting Undertow and Anemia twice because they've basically copied those two over and over), then you're sadly, sadly misguided.
I agree on the other counts though (except the last Rush album). I just discovered Genesis "The Lion Lays Down on Broadway" - brilliant! How did I miss this one?
For Yes, I have to champion 1994's "Talk" - the much forgotten swan song of Trevor Rabin. Taken for what it is (a progressive foray into 90's pop music) it's everything Yes should have been during their 80's revival and fell short of. Then again, the album is mostly Trevor Rabin with the other guys waltzing through the studio occasionally to lend a vocal or two, so I don't know if it can really be considered a true Yes album.
Also of note is 1999's "The Ladder" featuring the original band minus Wakeman (yes, Howe is all over it and better than ever). Truly a masterpiece and IMO the best 'classic' Yes album next to Fragile and Close to the Edge. Early Yes fans have really missed out on a treat by overlooking this one.
PigLick on 22/2/2009 at 00:53
its actually 'The Lamb lies down on Broadway"
fett on 22/2/2009 at 01:10
Bah - of course. I'm cross-wired with 'the lion lays down with the lamb."
PigLick on 22/2/2009 at 04:23
as long as someone is getting laid
fett on 22/2/2009 at 05:09
Not likely whilst listening to Genesis.
Oh wate - I forgot "I Can't Dance." Good times. :sly:
ercles on 22/2/2009 at 05:33
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
I wouldn't personally accuse Pink Floyd of selling out, at least not any more than other band that radically alters their style and starts playing to tens of thousands of trendy fucks in arenas. Alright, maybe I would.
I also think Roger Waters is essentially the definition of an egotistical prick, and his treatment of Syd was pathetic and inexcusable. I have tons of respect for the other 3 members of the band, though.
Both of my points have come from reading "Inside Out", Nick Mason's book. According to him A Saucerful of Secrets was the best album they ever made, but I'm still not really sure that they were the kind of band to sell out their musical integrity for fame. Especially with Roger Waters being such egotistical prick, whose own unwavering commitment to making wanky music led to the band breaking up (partially), and even more so when you consider how The Wall was an album that essentially was a retaliation against the fame that the band attained.
Also, are you saying Rogers' treatment of Syd was the worst because they were old friends or what? He is undeniably one of the biggest egos in music, but he was also clearly one of the driving musical talents behind a great band.
Jason Moyer on 22/2/2009 at 15:45
Quote Posted by ercles
Also, are you saying Rogers' treatment of Syd was the worst because they were old friends or what? He is undeniably one of the biggest egos in music, but he was also clearly one of the driving musical talents behind a great band.
Well, I'm thinking more of how Roger seemed to be the main person who wanted Syd out of the band, while Roger/Nick and especially David (of all people) continued to support him, even doing significant work on his solo albums. Also, just watching clips of early Floyd, for instance the London 66-67 stuff, I just get the impression that Syd/Nick/Roger are really pulling together and trying to do something special while Roger is sort of off doing his own thing and working on his rockstar poses. Of course, it's just an opinion, and I do like 70's Floyd quite a bit, although my favorite stuff from that period tends to have been written by someone other than Waters (and that includes stuff like "Comfortably Numb", where he took one of Gilmour's songs and added a line to it). I also find it weird that most of the time if the band used one of the other members' compositions during that era, it was credited to the group, but everything Roger wrote was credited solely to him.
ercles on 22/2/2009 at 18:44
Clearly a dick yes, but you do realise that at the point where he was kicked out of the band, Syd wasn't even playing his guitar at gigs anymore, he was too stoned off his tits to do anything. Just re-read the chapter on them kicking out Syd, and it sounds like you have it kind of back-to-front. Whilst not picking him up for a gig is probably the most brutal way to kick a guy out of the band, it was actually Syd's inability to play, combined with his unwillingness to relinquish any creative control over the band that seemed to be a decisive factor.
According to Nick Mason he was just a loose cannon frustrated by his inability to contribute to the band, and who was at this point on a fairly different page to the rest of the band, and a collective decision was reached by the band in the car on the way to pick him up.
jtr7 on 22/2/2009 at 20:06
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
Well, I'm thinking more of how Roger seemed to be the main person who wanted Syd out of the band, while Roger/Nick and especially David (of all people) continued to support him, even doing significant work on his solo albums. Also, just watching clips of early Floyd, for instance the London 66-67 stuff, I just get the impression that Syd/Nick/Roger are really pulling together and trying to do something special while Roger is sort of off doing his own thing and working on his rockstar poses. Of course, it's just an opinion, and I do like 70's Floyd quite a bit, although my favorite stuff from that period tends to have been written by someone other than Waters (and that includes stuff like "Comfortably Numb", where he took one of Gilmour's songs and added a line to it). I also find it weird that most of the time if the band used one of the other members' compositions during that era, it was credited to the group, but everything Roger wrote was credited solely to him.
Do everyone a favor and read one of the official biographies,
please. :erg:
