Pyrian on 17/9/2021 at 06:56
You're really selling us on those prebuilds, there. :laff:
WingedKagouti on 17/9/2021 at 12:07
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It especially doesn't make sense when it's been impossible to buy a GPU for 2 years and wasn't much easier for like 2-3 years before that. I don't understand who studios are releasing games for right now.
Because the alternative is likely permanently shutting down the studio. Arkane almost certainly could not afford to wait until adoption rates of the targeted minimum system (currently 5 year old tech) were "good enough".
Also, spending on games is up by a lot in 2021 compared to 2020, which in turn saw a lot more money spent on games than 2019. While GPUs have been less accessible, COVID has kept people at home and active on their PCs a lot more. Not trying to capitalize on this increased spending would just be silly, even if the devs overshot the adoption rate of the targeted minimum system.
As far as prebuilt systems go, I got mine around Easter this year, upgrading my GPU from a GTX 970 to a RTX 3060 along with a lot of other upgrades like getting a m.2 SSD vs my old 5400 RPM HDD. The only issue I've had so far was the main fan being improperly installed (it sounded like a jet engine when powered on), so I got the store to fix that on the first day.
Starker on 17/9/2021 at 13:52
While people who have newer hardware are fewer in number, you should also take into account that they have on average more disposable income as well and therefore might be more likely to buy your new shiny game at full price, whereas the people who lag behind with their hardware are more likely to buy it some years later at a big discount.
EvaUnit02 on 17/9/2021 at 14:05
Making that marketing deal with PlayStation seems to have really paid off. This probably the most advertising that I've ever seen for an Arkane game. Dishonored 2 and Prey were pushed out by Bethesda with so little fanfare. The climate game is launched in (early new gen drought, new major big publisher game competition of weeks) was so right.
heywood on 17/9/2021 at 18:02
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Because the alternative is likely permanently shutting down the studio. Arkane almost certainly could not afford to wait until adoption rates of the targeted minimum system (currently 5 year old tech) were "good enough".
The question is why is the minimum target a GTX 1060 at 1080p, 30 Hz on low settings?
Why does this game need more GPU power than Dishonored 2?
Starker on 17/9/2021 at 18:18
Probably the same answer as to why you can play the Doom reboot on a potato: optimisation.
EvaUnit02 on 17/9/2021 at 20:38
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The question is why is the minimum target a GTX 1060 at 1080p, 30 Hz on low settings?
Why does this game need more GPU power than Dishonored 2?
The game's base platform is the current gen consoles:- i.e. PS5 (later on, Xbox Series). When games start getting built for the newest gen of consoles as their lowest common denominator, OF COURSE PC minimum requirements are going to go up.
Dishonoured 2 was ported to PC from LAST GEN CONSOLES, i.e. PS4 and Xbox One.
Obviously old hardware will eventually cease to be relevant for new release software. Don't be like those clowns on the Steam forums who cry that New Release Game X won't boot on some ancient CPU from well over a decade ago, lacking in support for recent instruction sets (eg Core 2 Quad was a common one).
heywood on 17/9/2021 at 21:24
That doesn't answer the question.
What do you get graphically from Deathloop that you don't get from Dishonored 2 or other PS4 and XBox One games?
And is the graphical improvement important enough to justify releasing a game that only works on PS5 and high end PC rigs? And maybe XBox Series X in a year? PS5s are still constantly out of stock almost a year after release, and video card prices & availability still haven't recovered from the last mining boom.
WingedKagouti on 17/9/2021 at 22:38
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That doesn't answer the question.
What do you get graphically from Deathloop that you don't get from Dishonored 2 or other PS4 and XBox One games?
And is the graphical improvement important enough to justify releasing a game that only works on PS5 and high end PC rigs? And maybe XBox Series X in a year? PS5s are
still constantly out of stock almost a year after release, and video card prices & availability still haven't recovered from the last mining boom.
The devs likely expected the console would suffer 3-4 months of scarcity post-launch like the PS4 and then be readily available to everyone as production ramped up. They certainly didn't plan for their game to be hard to access due to various bottlenecks in CPU & GPU production and a global pandemic butting heads for over a year.
It's basically a Force Majeure situation.
Thirith on 17/9/2021 at 22:54
“... a game that only runs on high-end PC rigs...” Is that the case, though? I've seen video of this at lower settings running on a 1060, which isn't exactly what I'd call a high-end rig - and you know what? It ran well and looked good. Not great, but more than adequate. Yes, there are stuttering problems, but this is by no means a case of a game running like absolute shit.