EvaUnit02 on 15/7/2021 at 20:04
Quote Posted by Nameless Voice
It's probably a bit worrying when we - who should be the core fans for a game like this - mostly seem very sceptical about it.
Immersive sim hardcore fans aren't the target audience for this game, mainstream console guys are. Dishonoured 2 and Prey bombed hard, forcing Arkane to have to pivot their design directions (hence making a pseudo-rogue-like shooter and a L4D-style co-op game), else risk being axed by Zenimax brass. They will probably not make an immersive sim again (or for at least the foreseeable future. The MS purchase of Zenimax might change things.).
BR4ZIL on 15/7/2021 at 21:10
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
Uh, where have they said that this won't support quicksave/quickload?
Also, there was nothing to "solve". Functional adults are perfectly capable of not abusing quicksave to ruin their fun.
Having access to quicksave and quickload, as well as hard saves is a must to have long lasting fun with a game like this.
IMO forcing iron man mode on people is creating a problem, not a solution.
Hopefully the game wont do that, otherwise its just one more thing that will help the game bomb harder than their previous releases.
Jason Moyer on 15/7/2021 at 21:58
Quote Posted by Anarchic Fox
Well, that's what happens when Bethesda starts pulling the strings. Remember Rage?
Remember Dishonored and Prey? Both of which were funded by Zenimax?
Jason Moyer on 15/7/2021 at 22:14
Quote Posted by EvaUnit02
Dishonoured 2 and Prey bombed hard.
Name those games:
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https://i.imgur.com/kWzJggP.jpgThey came out the same year. One was the most successful single player AAA PC game released in ages, the other "bombed hard".
Jashin on 16/7/2021 at 05:02
Quote Posted by ZylonBane
Uh, where have they said that this won't support quicksave/quickload?
Also, there was nothing to "solve". Functional adults are perfectly capable of not abusing quicksave to ruin their fun.
It's curious how you can't intuit the fact that a game with a rougelite die/repeat function is not gonna have a save anywhere feature.
Sure, code in a quick save to defeat the whole point of the game. That makes sense!
nicked on 16/7/2021 at 07:19
Quote Posted by Jason Moyer
One was the most successful single player AAA PC game released in ages, the other "bombed hard".
I don't think those are mutually exclusive terms these days. Both pretty dismal numbers.
Starker on 16/7/2021 at 08:43
Wait, the Doom reboot peaked at only 31k concurrent players? Even Mankind Divided had 52k.
Jason Moyer on 16/7/2021 at 10:51
As far as I can tell, the only singleplayer Zenimax games on Steam with larger player bases than Dishonored 2 are Skyrim, Fallout 4, Doom Eternal, Doom, and Prey (which is roughly even). Dishonored has slightly fewer current and peak users. Most of their other games are lucky to have half DH2's userbase. That's why I don't buy this whole thing where it ate shit, or where they took Arkane off of it to work on a series (Wolfenstein) that has a smaller player base. I think the real story is that Arkane probably didn't want to do Dishonored 2 (interviews with Raph and Harvey after DH1 support this) but the first game was so successful that they were asked to.
As far as I can tell the entire "Dishonored 2 was a failure" narrative came from a pile of websites copy/pasting the same news article about how it sold fewer physical copies than the first game at a time that no one was buying physical copies of games.
heywood on 16/7/2021 at 13:42
The profitability of the game depends on when the sales happened though. They make the most money in the initial wave of sales at full price. The fact that D2 has a strong user base 5 years later doesn't really help their bottom line.
WingedKagouti on 16/7/2021 at 14:12
Quote Posted by heywood
The profitability of the game depends on when the sales happened though. They make the most money in the initial wave of sales at full price. The fact that D2 has a strong user base 5 years later doesn't really help their bottom line.
And I have trouble believing anyone saying they know for sure one way or the other unless they're working for Arkane, Bethseda or Valve in a position that lets them see actual sales data.
