nicked on 20/9/2013 at 07:57
And that's a large team of many people.
SubJeff on 20/9/2013 at 09:19
Quote Posted by Fafhrd
You're being
absurdly liberal with your estimates. There will be maybe three quality FMs a year.
Depends on what you mean by "quality". There are 100s of Thief FMs, how many are "quality"? How many live up to or surpass the originals? I know the tech is easier to use, you've said that, so the point isn't how easy it is to make maps. I'm talking about the subjective "quality" of them.
I'd agree that there might be 3 FMs a year that are "industry standard quality" but I'll bet there would be a lot of other maps that are great fun.
june gloom on 20/9/2013 at 09:50
Quality is subjective, but for me I would argue it's a combination of physical map design of quality equal or greater to that of the OMs, and an avoidance of bad design decisions -- outside of amateur mistakes like forgetting to place a key or whatever, there's also the issue of leaving the player wondering "what the fuck do I do now?" An OM example would be Thieves' Guild -- I almost always forget the key locked away under the firepit in one of the lieutenant's quarters. There isn't enough of a clue that I should look for the key there, and it's a pain to go back when I inevitably do remember.
Dracula Reloaded is another example. The first map I got through just fine. The second map I gave up after two hours of faffing about in the first area because there just flat out didn't seem to be a logical way to continue.
nicked on 20/9/2013 at 12:23
Thing is, the high quality ones are the only ones that matter. If you want levels for Dishonored that are well-laid out/fun, but look like a ten-year-old POS, then why not just make them for Thief?
MoroseTroll on 20/9/2013 at 15:56
Quote Posted by dethtoll
You're kind of mentally deficient, aren't you?
Look, you may or may not like what I'm saying, but please remember the rules of this forum, like I do.
Quote Posted by dethtoll
It's not "bad" -- it's just
never going to happen, even with an SDK or a map editor, because
FFA multiplayer maps and single player maps for a stealth-based game are fundamentally different things to create, especially when you consider that the level of detail is going to be significantly higher.
I know that, that's why I've mentioned, "Let's divide it by 5". You don't like my calculation? No, problem, show us your own.
Quote Posted by Fafhrd
You're being
absurdly liberal with your estimates.
Maybe.
Quote Posted by Fafhrd
There will be maybe three quality FMs a year.
Please define the "quality FM" term, with examples from Thief 1&2&3 FMs. If you mean "quality FM" = "brilliant FM", then yes, I'd agree with you (3 FMs a year). But what about not brilliant, but still good FMs?
Quote Posted by Fafhrd
Levels in Dishonored are huge complex things.
Are they big enough? - Yes. Are they superdetailed? - No, because Dishonored was developed for 360&PS3, too, using a mainstream licensed engine. No offense, but there much more detailed games exist.
Quote Posted by Fafhrd
It took most of a year for Arkane themselves to get six new levels out, and that was with completely re-using a couple of locations.
Are you sure that
the whole Lyon office was working on those add-ons? Maybe it was just a dozen of designers and a couple of programmers, whereas everyone else were and is working on a new, unannounced title?
Goldmoon Dawn on 21/9/2013 at 04:31
Quote Posted by Brethren
For some reason he thinks jtr7, Vae, and Goldmoon Dawn are FM authors.
Novices are not permitted here brother. You know *nothing* of Thief. Best that thou depart before the Master Forgers take note.
Quote Posted by dethtoll
Oh please, they don't have the mental bandwidth to tie their shoes, let alone author FMs.
And you know even less!
:ebil:
Renzatic on 21/9/2013 at 05:00
When faced with crazy, just do what I do...
Put a gun in your mouth and question which would be the preferrable option: pulling the trigger, or replying to crazy.
On another note, I have zit right behind my ear right now that hurts like a straight up motherfucker.
Muzman on 21/9/2013 at 06:34
What the hell is this argument about again?
Dishonoured can't have fan missions because players would only play OM quality missions and that's too hard for home brew types to do?
Fafhrd on 21/9/2013 at 07:34
It's more that it's not worth the investment of time and money on Arkane's part to release fan ready mod tools because the complexity of creating Dishonored fan missions is so high that they'd end up about as niche as the Mirror's Edge fan mission community, thus having no effect on the continued maintenance of Dishonored in the public consciousness.
