Kolya on 12/1/2011 at 22:12
Quote Posted by Queue
Whose to say who's "responsible"?
That's simple. If someone brings a gun to a political gathering he's obviously acting highly irresponsible and should be shot on the spot for the safety of all.
Queue on 12/1/2011 at 23:14
Now I get it. Silly me.
CCCToad on 13/1/2011 at 00:39
Has anyone actually read the internet posts he made? Definitely disturbed. As in a lot of cases like this, mental illness produces a vicious circle with social isolation. People tend to avoid the person because of his issues, his lack of a support network amplifies his isolation, which drives him further nuts, and so on until the person snaps. Usually the end result is suicide or a careless death (like drug or alcohol poisoning), but every so often a guy like this will snap. Another good example was the guy who shot up a gym.
Now, I'm all for toning down rhetoric, but I don't think it should be done with law. The problem with trying to legalize "hate speech" is that its highly subjective. Lets take a well known example here on the forums: the casual observer would probably consider dethtoll to be an incredibly hateful and nasty personality, whereas in his view he's just being funny. Similarly, I might be offended by Rug Burn Junky's tirades and profanity, but in his view he's simply entitled to behave that way because I am stupid compared to him.
Anyone screaming for laws against political rhetoric should think about how those laws would be used should Sarah Palin be elected.
Rug Burn Junky on 13/1/2011 at 01:16
Quote Posted by CCCToad
Similarly, I might be offended by Rug Burn Junky's tirades and profanity, but in his view he's simply entitled to behave that way because I am stupid compared to him.
I'm entitled to behave that way because I offer so much more than that, in an entertaining, informative and oh-so-lovable package, it has nothing to do with the fact that you're a fucking retard.
Queue on 13/1/2011 at 01:53
I just caught a few minutes of the memorial service going on live right now, and a question leapt to mind: Is it now proper to hoot and holler, cheering as if one is at a rock concert, during a memorial service? Doesn't it seem like all of our "important occasions" suddenly have the feel of a football game?
And why in the hell is there a televised memorial service for all this in the first place?! I know that may sound "cold", but think of how many people are going to get blown away tonight (in all the various cities across the country) who won't get a televised memorial service because their death wasn't part of some batch killing perpetrated by a young nutty doppelgänger of Brian May, which "deeply effected the country." Come on...politics aside, this memorial service is unfortunately just more politics. A chance for political figures to talk about hope in emphatic fragments and get applause.
Muzman on 13/1/2011 at 02:46
All that stuff is media driven. They say bollocks like "it's important for public healing" and so on but it's really filling minutes and PR. We had a big press and pollie song and dance about the "bush fire tragedy" while they were still burning fer crying out loud.
Quote:
Rep Trent Franks said: "I wish there was one more gun that day in the hands of a responsible person."
Why do people say this stuff? That sort of thing always gets said by someone very pro gun after one of these, regardless of the situation. It's so mind bendingly dumb it really doesn't endear their position to anyone. It's not the old West and they're not Harmonica or the Sisco Kid or whatever the fuck fantasy they prefer and neither is anybody else with a gun.
The guy walked briskly up to them and fired from very close range. The only way you're stopping that is by being already in the way. Time's not slowing down for your fat ass to dive sideways, pull out your dual Berettas and get one in each eye.
Kolya on 13/1/2011 at 03:06
I wonder what the purpose of relaying those second hand post fragments is. This guy opened fire at a crowd of people, so we already know he's crazy, better than any internet posting could ever prove.
jtr7 on 13/1/2011 at 04:38
A lot of rational and sane people with guns talk like him, so it's hard to tell just where the line is. I don't think they're rational and/or sane, but they do, and they have supporters, and some of them are sad the loon missed some targets that day. :(
Stitch on 13/1/2011 at 15:25
Quote Posted by CCCToad
Now, I'm all for toning down rhetoric, but I don't think it should be done with law.
Yes, I agree completely. But
Quote Posted by CCCToad
The problem with trying to legalize "hate speech" is that its highly subjective. Lets take a well known example here on the forums: the casual observer would probably consider dethtoll to be an incredibly hateful and nasty personality, whereas in his view he's just being funny.
WOULD IT KILL YOU TO GO FOR MORE THAN TWO SENTENCES WITHOUT TURNING INTO A PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE DOUCHEBAG
Quote Posted by CCCToad
Anyone screaming for laws against political rhetoric should think about how those laws would be used should Sarah Palin be elected.
Good thing nobody worth quoting is actually screaming for this :confused:
