rachel on 29/12/2015 at 10:44
Quote Posted by SubJeff
This was evident in the originals all along. The Imperial Officer uniforms, the Nazi grey of all the Empire ships, the
Stormtroopers. Vader's helmet is based on a German WW2 helmet.
I'm with you until Vader, it's got a clear Japanese vibe much more than a German one imho, he's pretty much a giant black-clad samurai. Lucas also borrowed extensively from
jidaigeki movies and imagery. That's where he got the name of the Jedi after all.
Scots Taffer on 29/12/2015 at 11:16
There was a rumour that Williams was a name-only branding exercise for a ghost written OST - probably Giacchino. That would make sense because even the Prequels managed a bunch of really memorable themes and this one had nothing.
Rey as Ben's sister does make some sense if there was some event that occurred that made everyone fear for the lives of any Jedi - perhaps it coincides with the rise of First Order and appearance of Snoke (whoever he is), and perhaps explains why Luke is in hiding? It also helps explain why Han was coincidentally in the system and the Falcon was on Jakku - because he's keeping a watchful eye. Note the purposeful cut away when Han is asked who Rey is and that Ben says "Han is the father you never had".
Star Wars has always been a bit on the nose.
SubJeff on 29/12/2015 at 11:37
Quote Posted by raph
I'm with you until Vader, it's got a clear Japanese vibe much more than a German one imho, he's pretty much a giant black-clad samurai. Lucas also borrowed extensively from
jidaigeki movies and imagery. That's where he got the name of the Jedi after all.
I beg to differ
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http://www.starwars.com/news/from-concept-to-screen-bringing-darth-vader-to-life)
van HellSing on 29/12/2015 at 11:42
Quote Posted by Scots Taffer
Rey as Ben's sister does make some sense if there was some event that occurred that made everyone fear for the lives of any Jedi - perhaps it coincides with the rise of First Order and appearance of Snoke (whoever he is), and perhaps explains why Luke is in hiding? It also helps explain why Han was coincidentally in the system and the Falcon was on Jakku - because he's keeping a watchful eye. Note the purposeful cut away when Han is asked who Rey is and that Ben says "Han is the father you never had".
Star Wars has always been a bit on the nose.
Nope, still makes no sense. Why don't either Han or Leia mention her among themselves? Moreover, why don't they recognize her? Especially force-sensitive Leia?
The Falcon winding up on Jakku is explained when Rey lists who stole it from whom. And as for how Han finds it, it was not a coincidence - he mentions having scanners able to track the Falcon's location. They probably picked it up when Rey activated the ship for the first time in years.
About the "father you never had" bit - it's very obvious he's talking about her needing a father
figure. Maz also tells her this - she should stop waiting for her biological parents and try and find someone who could replace them.
This is why I believe that she's not related to either Han or to Luke. Instead, Luke will become her father figure.
rachel on 29/12/2015 at 11:57
OK, point taken. I'd still maintain that this is not the primary source for his looks.
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http://www.freylia.net/darth.pngSubJeff on 29/12/2015 at 12:33
No, not his whole look. It's definitely a fusion of things.
Kylo Ren's helmet is even more like a German WW2 helmet at the back, but the face is just so much better. I really like the silver banding on it. His whole outfit is better but then I suppose he's mostly flesh and not machine.
Scots Taffer on 29/12/2015 at 12:38
Quote Posted by van HellSing
Nope, still makes no sense. Why don't either Han or Leia mention her among themselves? Moreover, why don't they recognize her? Especially force-sensitive Leia?
The Falcon winding up on Jakku is explained when Rey lists who stole it from whom. And as for how Han finds it, it was not a coincidence - he mentions having scanners able to track the Falcon's location. They probably picked it up when Rey activated the ship for the first time in years.
About the "father you never had" bit - it's very obvious he's talking about her needing a father
figure. Maz also tells her this - she should stop waiting for her biological parents and try and find someone who could replace them.
This is why I believe that she's not related to either Han or to Luke. Instead, Luke will become her father figure.
I didn't say I believed Rey was Ben's sister, I loosely subscribe to the Luke theory myself, but I'm just throwing out some reasons why I'm not closed off to it.
In response to your points - Leia and Han may well have mentioned it among themselves, off camera, just like Han answered Maz's question off camera. They cut to Han looking worried when Rey was taken away, yet five seconds later he brushes Finn off with a "yeah yeah". Why? Maybe he knows how powerful she is and that she can handle herself?
My view is that Han being "in the system at the time" is more than coincidence, otherwise this is the smallest fucking Universe ever when you start looking at all the piled on coincidences over these movies.
SubJeff on 29/12/2015 at 12:40
It does seem really tiny.
The Starkiller 5 shot was seen hitting all it's targets from one planet. How does that work?
froghawk on 29/12/2015 at 13:43
I'd actually agree that Rey being Ren's sister doesn't make a lot of sense, but when did that ever stop a Star Wars twist? Luke and Leia being siblings came out of absolutely nowhere and seemed entirely arbitrary in the third film, and they seem to be following the same trilogy structure here (since the next one is already set up to be the Jedi training film). The recycling of plot elements leads me to look for parallels, and separated twins would be another. Plus we have no reason to believe that Luke had children at all. But either way is perfectly possible, and I'm not married to the idea.
And you're right, there are clear Nazi parallels in the look as well. It immediately struck me as a stereotyped American portrayal of a Stalinist gathering, partially due to the color scheme of the flags, but Nazism fits just as well. But that really doesn't make it any better or make it make more sense. The Empire didn't need more explicit motivations since they were clearly just evil imperialists, but the First Order is portrayed as a weird mixture of things with no clear motivations, and the movie can't seem to decide if they're fascists, religious nuts, or just another Empire. So many of the decisions made there seem totally arbitrary just to connect it to the prior films.
van HellSing on 29/12/2015 at 14:56
I don't understand the problem with TFO. They're pretty much a continuation of the Empire, and yeah, that includes the somewhat weird interplay between the no-nonsense militarists and the dark-side dabbling overlords.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzs-OvfG8tE)
Which, by the way, again somewhat resembles the nazis and their super-weird relation towards religion.
