ZylonBane on 1/11/2012 at 01:10
Quote Posted by Stitch
Sequels that were better than the film before it:
Also:
Evil Dead II
X-Men 2
Hot Shots Part Deux
The Road Warrior
Aliens (well, different and also very good)
Wrath of Khaaaaaaaaaaan
Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey
Godfather Part II
Phatose on 1/11/2012 at 01:45
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No, because Koyla is the only one that has legitimately answered my question. You guys are all, "Hur hur, Lucas sucks, Disney will make it better," and not acknowledging the fact that this isn't a "fresh new start" but rather an ill-conceived money grab to make 3 movies that should have been made in the 80's with the same actors if it was going to happen. Honestly, I would be all for it if they said, "Hey, we're going to do movies set 100 years later with a new cast of characters." But they're not. Thier intent is to use Lucas' half-assed "writing notes" to continue a story that is finished. There's not much wondering if it will be better because of new ideas, new people, etc. - the only thing to wonder is if it will work to have brand new actors playing beloved characters fighting against the all powerful Anakin Skywalker and his Empire. Oh wait, THAT STORY IS FINISHED. Is there something worth seeing these characters do that necessitates a film? The Thrawn trilogy wasn't near as epic as the movies which is why it worked brilliantly as a novel.
Well, the empire is finished, sort of. But you've now got a galaxy with a giant power void, 1 jedi in the entire universe to do anything resembling peacekeeping, in a place where there are hugely powerful criminal overlords and the space nazis who kept them from getting too out of hand just got blowed up real good.
And as far as we know, it will be a generation down the line, the same way 3->4 was. 1-3 were as much about Obi-wan as the were about Anakin, and while Obi-wan was in 4, it wasn't about him. You can certainly go places using those same characters, while not having it be about them - Borderlands 2 did that pretty well with the Borderlands 1 cast.
Plus, I mean....previous movies are only limitations on what you can do if you give a shit about internal consistency. And Lucas....well, he gives precisely zero fucks about that.
SubJeff on 1/11/2012 at 02:20
Quote Posted by fett
Is there something worth seeing these characters do that necessitates a film?
Lucas had always sketched out the story in a 9 part arc, hadn't he? I thought we had part 4,5 and 6, then 1,2 and 3, with him having already planned 7,8 and 9 back when he started the whole thing.
So do we know if the characters from RotJ will still be pivotal? They could go down a New Jedi era route, or a Solo and Lea's kids (who will be royalty, no?) going off the rails, or anything. Anything. In many ways its just as open (as far as we are concerned) as the universe was when 1000 nerds decided to write "novels" (if you can call them that. I call them books, insofar as they are words and stories that are bound and sold).
Slasher on 1/11/2012 at 02:33
In the books, 2 of the 3 Solo children get skewered. So I doubt Disney will be doing any adaptations of that. The characters from RotJ remain pivotal, if for no other reason than their presence sells more of said books. Oh, and I think Ackbar died of old age somewhere along the way.
Phatose on 1/11/2012 at 04:09
Well, I don't think "Crown Prince of the debris field formerly known as Alderaan" is really gonna impress anybody.
It sure as hell won't treat any of the EU like it mattered one bit - Lucas has always been pretty clear that he don't give two shits about that.
But what's really the worst that could happen? He just says 'fuck it', and uses the CLU CGI from TRON on everybody?........er....well, shit.
Slasher on 1/11/2012 at 04:42
Theoretically, C-3PO and R2-D2 wouldn't have to be CGI. Or Darth Vader for that matter.
Vasquez on 1/11/2012 at 05:16
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I've seen people talk about how Joss Whedon should be the director.. I don't think that's a good idea.
I think it's a fabulous idea :D But not with any of the Firefly cast, no no no no no!
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3) Because Lucas in an interview (and the new whatshername that's in charge now) stated that they would be working from Lucas' previously conceived ideas and notes for ep 7-9.
Seems that story was going to be told anyway, and after 1, 2 and 3 I'm happier if Disney does it.
gunsmoke on 1/11/2012 at 05:54
Quote Posted by nicked
Taking Star Wars away from senile consta-meddler George Lucas is bad because........?
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Yeah, as a long time SW fan, I had pretty much had it with Lucas, so it's good to see that A) more movies will be made, and B) that someone besides Lucas will get a crack at it.
This is a very good thing.
As long as they don't fuck it up.
(Had to double check and make sure this wasn't an article from The Onion).
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No wait, what? There doesn't need to be anymore SW movies. The last three were so fucked up it would have been better left alone. What the hell is Episode 7 going to be about? The more serious fans have cannonized Zahn's follow up trilogy, so now I guess that is going to be shit all over as well. Fuck Lucas, and fuck Disney.
I agree with nicked and especially our own Brethren and betrayer. They said pretty much exactly what I was thinking when I heard the news this morning on the local news. (Ha!, one caveat...it was the early, early news & I may or may not have been entirely clear-headed yet!). :joke:
Anyhoo, what is the downside? As I always say when people piss & moan about a series of games, shows, movies, comics, books, etc... being drawn out longer than deemed necessary, the answer is surprisingly simple; fucking ignore it. Pretend the shit never got released and go on with your life. Butt-hurt because a new trilogy is being produced? Give me a break, fett.
Jeez, once upon a time the mere mention of the Disney empire chilled me to the core, but my GOD has Disney upped their game. They have seriously created, produced, or collaborated on some amazing shit in the last decade and I see no reason to believe a 4 BILLION $ investment will be thrown to the b-team.
Most folks I know were growing tired of the Lucas formula. Some new blood could breathe new life into the beloved franchise. I am sure Lucas will be at the very least a consultant on the production(s), so it will stay canon and not contradict any previous plots.
Disney has the Ducats to make a AAA production, and after spending all that cheese, I guarantee they will make sure to release a blockbuster to at least recoup their investment.
I am not super into Star Wars these days, but a Disney production actually piques my interest, whereas a Lucas production would have had me eye-rolling :rolleyes: and most likely completely skipping.
Thirith on 1/11/2012 at 07:23
Quote Posted by fett
5) So my burning question remains - do you really wan to see other people playing these characters and carrying on a story that should have ended with Anakin's redemption and death?
Not particularly - but it is possible to pull this off. Easy? No. But to me this is just not the disaster you seemed to see it as in your initial post. I share your apprehensions, but after the prequels I know not to expect anything much from this. I'm not emotionally invested in whether they make more
Star Wars films or not, but I'm willing to have them surprise me.
Also, I'm actually not all that worried about them working from Lucas' story ideas. As long as they get a good writer who knows what to keep, what to change and what to trash (hey, it worked with
Empire after all...) and keep George as the ideas man only, I don't think this needs to spell out doom. And if they get crap writers and bow to each of Lucas' wishes, well, I'll know what to expect.
Slasher on 1/11/2012 at 07:26
Disney will come to my bunker, kidnap me, and then deliver me to a movie theater where I will be forced to watch Episode VII Clockwork Orange style. As you can see, ignoring the new episodes is simply ... not an option.
