Starker on 22/10/2013 at 17:05
I wouldn't mind the actor change as much if it wasn't for such bullshit reasons.
kora on 22/10/2013 at 18:31
Breaking bad began as a dark satirical comedy. Cranston was absolutely perfect for the role. He gave it that extra 99.1% quality & literally convinced development to extend production of the show from 1 season to 5. The writer's wrote the show based on his acting capabilities. He isn't the perfect actor in many peoples eyes, so they made him an obvious liar to his wife. A flawed human who made far too many wrong decisions, having cancer, living with a death wish at every turn & simply having the the devils luck just made his performance sheer brilliance.
A show that really went downhill after the main actor died of cancer was Spartacus. You can see in the other actors performances that something didn't add up, even though it were his wish for the show to continue. I can understand the replacement actor, although inferior, did his job to the best of his ability to honor his fallen predecessor, he deserved every small credit he got amongst all the unneeded criticism.
Claiming this is a Reboot is just another excuse to falsify alot of things Thief is built upon. whatever strategy they've got with this new VA & is sort of working with the fans, not so much the storyline (it's sounding way too serious). perhaps generating enough hate will get this game the attention it desperately needs. when all heads turn they see a technologically fascinating game & immediately preorder.
They should've just given Garrett cancer to set the boundaries of their thrill seeking. :bored:
GodzillaX8 on 22/10/2013 at 20:36
Quote Posted by MoroseTroll
Would you watch "House M.D." with Hugh Laurie replaced with somebody else right between the third and fourth seasons? The same with "The Sopranos" & James Gandolfini? "Breaking Bad" & Brian Cranston? I wouldn't.
I was primarily referring to animated TV shows in that instance, but if you want a different example, how about Spartacus? They've repeatedly recast the lead in that show. They recast the role of Rachel in the Batman movies after the first movie. They recast the role of Rhodey in Iron Man 2. They recast the role of Bruce Banner for The Avengers. Batman's had about 10 different actors, Superman too. To say that no other actor can deliver a worthy performance as the same character is to say that Jack Nicholson's Joker was awful simply because you prefer Heath Ledger's, or vice versa.
The biggest problem in recasting an actor in a TV show, which coincidentally invalids that argument, is that TV shows follow the same continuity. The new Thief game is not involved in any way with the original continuity, so it's a bit less jarring of a difference to recast the lead. When a story is standalone, it doesn't matter which actor has played the role before, the new guy gets to come in and deliver his own performance.
It's fine to prefer an actor in a role, but it doesn't exactly mean that no one else could ever give a decent performance in the role. I liked Stephen Russell, but I understand that they want to go in a different direction with the character and the tech involved with the voice recording, and I'm going to reserve judgment until I've heard the performance in the context of the game. I don't know if he'll be as good as Russell, or if I'll even miss Russell until I've played the game. I'm not saying it's likely that his performance will be better than Russell, but we can't be sure until we have experienced it fully, to be honest.
Pyrian on 22/10/2013 at 20:46
Quote Posted by New Horizon
...replaced by another actor 3 or 4 Seasons in just wouldn't be plausible...
3 or 4 seasons? How about
twenty-five years?Quote Posted by GodzillaX8
To say that no other actor can deliver a worthy performance as the same character is to say that Jack Nicholson's Joker was awful simply because you prefer Heath Ledger's.
Heh. Seems to me Nicholson's performance got a LOT more hate post-Ledger.
Queue on 22/10/2013 at 21:21
Quote Posted by Pyrian
3 or 4 seasons? How about
twenty-five years?What's been twenty-five-years? Besides
The Simpsons....
(and soon,
South Park)
Pyrian on 22/10/2013 at 21:28
Quote Posted by Queue
What's been twenty-five-years?
Thief.
Also... Dr. Who. Star Trek. James Bond (I don't see any reason to stick to TV shows when the subject is video games). If a fictional character has been around for 25+ years, it shouldn't be surprising that they've been recast. Comparing it to recasting after 3-4 seasons is disingenious - sure, there's only been 3(ish) games to date, but it's been an awfully long time since the first one was released.
I mean, I don't particularly support Batman-level recasting, but we're a long way from there.
GodzillaX8 on 22/10/2013 at 23:05
Quote Posted by Zewp
The moment someone tells me the reason I'm negative about the new game is because of nostalgia for the old games, I assume they're argument is invalid. How can I be nostalgic about something I replay frequently and have replayed less than three months ago?
The nostalgia argument holds no water unless you're actually sure the person you're accusing of nostalgia hasn't played the game in years.
Just because you replay something regularly doesn't mean you can't be nostalgic towards it.
Quote Posted by Pyrian
Thief.
Also... Dr. Who. Star Trek. James Bond (I don't see any reason to stick to TV shows when the subject is video games). If a fictional character has been around for 25+ years, it shouldn't be surprising that they've been recast. Comparing it to recasting after 3-4 seasons is disingenious - sure, there's only been 3(ish) games to date, but it's been an awfully long time since the first one was released.
I mean, I don't particularly support Batman-level recasting, but we're a long way from there.
Thief came out only 14 years ago, but the point is still valid. And it's even been 9 years since the last game in the series was released.
jay pettitt on 22/10/2013 at 23:39
So nostalgia now also excludes people from being able to appreciate the contemporary. Who knew people were so black and white?
Mofleaker on 23/10/2013 at 00:12
As someone who has only known about the existence of the Thief series for about a year, I can assure you nostalgia isn't the only reason the majority of this community is disappointed.
Starker on 23/10/2013 at 00:21
The thing with Batman is that it's an adaptation from a comic book, so it makes sense for each new adaptation to have a different cast. Also, the change from Keaton to Kilmer was because the studio wanted to make the movie more mainstream... look how well that turned out. In movies and TV shows the change of actors often happens because of things like scheduling conflicts, not because it's a desirable thing in and of itself. And not everybody is okay with that.
Also also, Thief was not a story-driven game. In fact, the story is pretty weak and it only got away with it because there was so little of it. Garrett isn't some kind of a superhero character whose new adventures people eagerly await. He's more of a companion, really, to all the eavesdropping and infiltrating and pilfering that the player is doing.
