baeuchlein on 31/5/2022 at 00:24
Remaking a level from a game may lead to serious copyright issues. I don't think it would be a good idea.
Galaer on 31/5/2022 at 08:32
Quote Posted by baeuchlein
Remaking a level from a game may lead to serious copyright issues. I don't think it would be a good idea.
Wait, but this is the idea behind this contest. So you say that this contest is illegal?
fortuni on 31/5/2022 at 14:08
The contest rules state that contestants should make a mission based on T1 or T2 OM’s only, the editor for both of those games being released years ago, so no problem.
Make a reboot of a mission based on a game (Thief4) in which the editor has never been released by Eidos would not only be going against the rules of the contest, but could also be considered to be infringing on Eidos copyright.
marbleman on 31/5/2022 at 15:02
The rules don't say that. You're free to take a mission from any Thief game as base. But here's the thing: taking as base is not the same as remaking. The Chalice of Souls is based on a Thief 2014 mission, and it's exactly the kind of thing that would be appropriate for this context.
fortuni on 31/5/2022 at 15:20
My bad, I misread the rules.
Galaer on 31/5/2022 at 16:18
Quote Posted by fortuni
The contest rules state that contestants should make a mission based on T1 or T2 OM's only, the editor for both of those games being released years ago, so no problem.
Make a reboot of a mission based on a game (Thief4) in which the editor has never been released by Eidos would not only be going against the rules of the contest, but could also be considered to be infringing on Eidos copyright.
Wait, doesn't it make missions converted from Thief 1 into Thief 2 illegal? I'm talking about convertions listed (
https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144797&p=2273308&viewfull=1#post2273308) here.
fortuni on 31/5/2022 at 18:25
All of those conversions were seriously frowned upon when they were released, even the author initially remained anonymous (IIRC it was belboz), and most if not all hosting sites refused to carry them but as time went by and no come back occurred peoples attitude relaxed towards them, but to make a reboot of a Thief4 mission would probably not be a good idea for reasons mentioned above, yes someone could make a mission inspired Thief 4, but a complete reboot.....
baeuchlein on 1/6/2022 at 01:14
I have read the DromEd2 License again just now, and it is ambiguous for me concerning whether remaking a T1 mission for T2 would be allowed or not. I'm sure lawyers could tell us more about that... but I definitely do not wish to experience that at court, as the accused. The license might even be understood in a way that one could not distribute voice files from the T2 game with a mission - these are certainly copyrighted material, and the license says that a FM "can not" include "copyrighted materials".
There also certainly is a reason why our mysterious "Le Courbeau" (AKA "The Raven"), while supplying us with patches to the game, does not ever make public who he/she really is. I guess it's for legal reasons. I'd bet my *ss on it if I didn't need that for sitting and sh... shome other purposhesh.:cheeky:
Also, the creators of The Dark Mod carefully saw to it that their "stealth game built as a mod for the Doom 3 engine" did not contain anything from the Thief games that might be copyrighted. And I know of other fan projects which were carefully steered out of harm's (or some lawyer's) way, e.g., remaking one TES role-playing game with the engine of it sequel or prequel.
Let sleeping lawyers lie, and think well before you step over the line. The more you re-make any existing thing, the closer you are to the red line. Trespassers might be prosecuted.:sweat: There's not much to win for FM authors by battling copyright laws, but much to loose.
Skol on 3/6/2022 at 22:03
Lawyers and one's own fear of legal reprisal can do the FUD for us. Extra assistance is neither necessary nor (I'd wager) appreciated.
Esse on 3/6/2022 at 23:27
So instead of a remaking, a re-imagining? Like, perhaps, a Cragscleft-inspired level where Garrett is being broken out by someone like a Keeper novice, with similar themes and objectives? (Like finding a lucky artifact and having to go through a mine full of monsters.)