TF on 19/1/2009 at 13:16
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I doubt you know my mum, Vivain.
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Your mum. Your mum will be, Koyla.
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I can't imagine Canoe having anything like what's necessary to play Spike. Spike's lively. Canoe did lively about twice as Theodore Logan. Surfer/metal dude Spike? I think not.
Although maybe I'm missing the point. I generally tuned out when all that weird backstory rivalry stuff with all the swashbuckling biz came along. Didn't really work for me.
I only really remember the funny episodes like the one with Ted Baumer the Teddy Bomber and that cowboy guy who comes along at just the right moment and steals Spike's thunder all the time.
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Knocking on heavens door is a bit baggy at places, but it isn't a bad movie by any means. The sedate pacing is a bit of a shock coming to it from the series though, which could afford any fat at all in an episode.
Well, he would have been ten or fifteen years ago. He's getting a bit on the old side now. And there's still the problem of him being something of a charisma vacuum.
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Personally I adored Knockin' on Heaven's Door. The sequence where Spike faces off against Volaju on the monorail train is utterly fantastic, coming to a collective crescendo with Watanabe's expert direction and an enigmatic Kanno piece sung by Gabriella Robin.
Showdown with Voljaju at the peak of the Halloween parade is also great. The action seems entirely grounded in reality, like Spike's Jeet Kune Do moves.
I don't see what there isn't to love about Knockin' on Heaven's Door, it's a highly memorable and extremely enjoyable piece of well crafted cinema. I'd imagine that those who didn't appreciate Oshii's masterful Innocence: Ghost in the Shell 2 would also flog off this film.
The scenes where Spike is doing detective work in Middle-eastern district market are packed with atmosphere, augmented by the excellent song composed by Kanno. The plot point involving the big pot was a really nice touch and totally original.
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Yikes.
To be fair, I don't think Hollywood is the big problem here. The first Cowboy Bebop movie was made by all the same people, and frankly wasn't that good. First, you can't re-tell the story arc. It's not the same problem as Watchmen, in which there is too much story to fit into the film; Bebop spends the vast majority of its time away from the primary storyline. But that is intergral to the story itself - that in this "off time" the characters are explored and developed, and so when the main plot rolls around its a sudden, intense shift. Plus, the whole premise of Bebop is that each episode is a sort of pastiche of a film genre, or music, or something. Can't really do that with a single film.
So the original movie folks decided, intelligently, to make an original film...but the whole series worked on a 25-minute basis, and they couldn't figure out what to do with an hour and a half. So it just dilly-dallied around and acted melodramatic.
Yeah, this isn't going to turn out well.
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This'll be as awesome as the new Knight Rider.
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Late 90s/early 00s had a lot of extremely high quality output from both the hollywood popcorn spectrum and the indie/foreign scenes.
I need to rewatch too. Spectacular show. Any chance of a blu-ray release for the series and the movie?
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This really just makes me want to rewatch the anime since its been so long, see if its as good as I remember. Things from that time period seem to actually get better for some reason.
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If it doesn't feature Spike tripping and passing that frog twenty times on the staircase, I want my money back.
Also, Keanu is a great pick at least physically - now let's see him to work on that brilliantly stylised fighting.
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Either they re-tell the story-arc from the anime, which has to compete with the breadth of so many episodes and capture its chemistry, or they try to tell a new story which either completely overturns the original story or is just a minor footnote in it.
I guess that's the dilemma of all comics/shows->movies translations ... But this one seems harder than usual, since the original chemistry was so right on. I share the general skepticism.
It's a good decision in the sense that I couldn't possibly
not see it.
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Spike's some kind of cross between Clint Eastwood and Bruce Li. Knu is, to all intents and purposes, a hapless gimp. I predict this will be a massive, irrelevant failure, but if the original creators get some more cash for it, what the hell. Go ahead Hollywood, make a tit out of yourself again.
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Well, that's...something. Hopefully they'll have more input than the titles "associate" and "consultant" imply.
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You all know how Hollywood does thigs. They take beautiful and praise-worthy art and remove those qualities, replacing them with sex and CG, and release a blockbuster.
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Regardless of whether or not Reeves is anything like Spike, this won't end well and you all know it (even those pretending otherwise). I would much prefer another actual movie put on the big screen.
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Yeah, actually. Having Keanu playing Spike isn't that bad a choice. Spike's a calm, detached character who's not prone to displaying much emotion. That pretty much describes about, oh, 99% of Keanu's previous roles.
Only, this time, he'll have to do it with a 'fro. Booya!!
(To be clear, I'm of the opinion that this is probably going to be an utter travesty. I hope they get Yoko Kanno on board for the soundtrack. Her music's probably the only thing that would make the movie worthwhile for anybody.)
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Spike
really isn't that complex a character. Keanu will do nicely.
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I don't see any problem with this...as long as they completely rewrite the character to take advantage of Keanu's two talents: a) screaming, and b) standing in front of exploding things looking pretty. God help us all if they expect him to act. Or talk. :rolleyes:
I might pay money to see him
attempt to rock the Spike-'fro though.
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Finally Spike & Faye will see a happy ending! :p
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Koki on 19/1/2009 at 14:19
The thing is, Keanu isn't a "cool, detached character". He simply
can't act. He's made out of
rubber.
Not that I am sad or anything. It's as if millions of weeaboos suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. Feels good man.
Personally, I pity Dragonball adaptation more. High School? Bulma without green hair? See if it was true to the original it would've been so hilariously bad, it could be good. Now it will just suck.
[Edit]I claim the page 2 in the name of (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalon_(2001_film)) Avalon!
BEAR on 19/1/2009 at 17:47
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I got up to about episode eight of the series before giving up*. A torrent of anime cliches jazzed up (heh) with a western score does not equate to brilliance in my book. Let them do with the material what they will.
Oh, and TF? Never do anything like that again.
*I just wish I'd had the sense to do likewise with Evangelion. My friend permanently damaged his credibility calling that incoherent, sophmoric, psycho-philosophical wankfest the best anime ever made.
How would you know they were anime cliche's if you don't really like anime? Have you seen all the shitty highly cliched ones but refuse to watch one that is universally considered good (by universally I mean by anime fans and non-anime fans alike)?
And did you finish Neon Gensis? If so it begs the question, how the fuck can you finish that and not cowboy bebop? Its like I couldn't really care less if you like anime in general, but if there is one anime worth giving a full try its this one. If you can do neon genisis you can do cowboy bebop. I can't really tell what is going on by episode 8 but maybe if it hasn't done anything for you by then its not worth the trouble.
gunsmoke on 19/1/2009 at 17:56
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Oh, and TF? Never do anything like that again.
Agreed. Stop it.
I am not an anime fan, per se. I do, however like the stuff on AdultSwim. Cowboy Bebop, Big O, Fullmetal Alchemist, DeathNote, and Inu Yasha, for example. I have been known to lol @ dubbed Lupin the 3rd, as well. I won't watch non-dubbed anime, even though I took Japanese in school for 3 years. I want to watch something in english, thank you.
Anyone have any recommendations for me, considering the examples I have given? Thank you.