Renzatic on 26/3/2020 at 07:31
I've heard of tests that can give results in 5-15 minutes, but I don't think they're readily available yet, at least not here.
Sulphur on 26/3/2020 at 07:39
Quote Posted by lowenz
Yeah but here "experts" (not so young people) are dying too.
Virtually 50% of the medical staff is infected, virologists too.
Uh huh. And they're still working to provide useful information to people despite that. Let's not devalue the work by adding the Dunning-Kruger effect to the mix, yes? I get that you're worried about the situation -- everyone is. We'll see it through, though, by being infinitely more careful about what we do.
Renzatic on 26/3/2020 at 07:58
Quote Posted by icemann
Spot on
My take of the world:
Some people are good, and will willingly go out of their way to help others in any way they can.
Most people mean well, but won't deal with any more shit than they absolutely have to.
Some people are absolute fuckheads, and will go out of their way to make people miserable.
Everyone is prone to panic, especially if they feel they're unprepared.
We're all wired to remember people who slight us moreso than those who help us. If in a single day you run across someone who gives you an extra couple bucks you were short of at the register, another person who gives up their seat for you because you look like you needed it more, and a third person who shoves you to the ground, making you spill your groceries all the sidewalk, then tells you to fuck yourself, you're gonna remember that third guy first and foremost.
It'll stick in your head, make you remember all the other instances where someone's been a total fuckhead to you, and you'll think the whole world is going to hell in a handbasket.
The internet has exacerbated this tendency, since we all love to hate an asshole, and we'll go out of our way to find videos of people being assholes so we can look down on them. After 5 minutes of doing this, you think the world went to hell years ago, and we just need to burn it all to the ground.
And that's life in the modern world.
Vae on 26/3/2020 at 07:58
Quote Posted by Renzatic
I've heard of tests that can give results in 5-15 minutes, but I don't think they're readily available yet, at least not here.
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https://hardydiagnostics.com/sars-cov-2/) Now accepting orders for Anti-SARS-CoV-2 Rapid Test for COVID-19
Renzatic on 26/3/2020 at 08:07
Nice.
Though from reading the caveats at the bottom of the page, it looks like it's better suited to prescreenings than it is a complete test on its own.
Whatever test the South Koreans use is supposedly fairly quick. The only problem there is that they're made by one company, and they can't manufacture enough to meet the demands of the entire world in a timely fashion.
lowenz on 26/3/2020 at 08:50
Quote Posted by Sulphur
Uh huh. And they're still working to provide useful information to people despite that. Let's not devalue the work by adding the Dunning-Kruger effect to the mix, yes? I get that you're worried about the situation -- everyone is. We'll see it through, though, by being infinitely more careful about what we do.
Yes and let's not indulge in the "Dunning-Kruger" bashing.
Personally I'm NOT worried.
SubJeff on 26/3/2020 at 08:53
Quote Posted by lowenz
That's the context for the correlation with ACE inhibitors..
Of course is NOT the ACE inhibitors that increase the contagions.
You've totally missed my point, but it doesn't matter really. Let's just wait until there is definitive evidence for increased risk, and for better recovery of course.
The whole "this is the cure!" stuff going on is EXACTLY what Jude Law's character was doing in the film Contagion.
In fact Contagion is just such an awesome piece of work that I may watch it again, despite re-watching it a few weeks ago when this all started.
Note to file: what did I say about the USA? Infection numbers will top Italy's this weekend. Sadly. Stay safe TTLGers. Stay isolated.
lowenz on 26/3/2020 at 09:08
I have a complete training in statistics man (engineering @Politecnico di Milano), I've NOT missed your point.
Of course you can create all the correlations you want, "real" as you want, 'cause they're correlations and not cause-effect relationships (still the cause-effect relationships is a human mind feature, not a reality feature)
I only *think* that an "unexpected" interaction with absolutely needed drugs are worth investigating.
Cause something is @work here to induce the pneumonia SO quickly, much quickier than the normal influenza. And it's not the "strangeness" of the virus 'cause it is a normal virus and this is proven by the fact that under30 people with no diseases are NOT affected by the deadly version of the infection expression.
bob_doe_nz on 26/3/2020 at 09:21
Quote Posted by Dia
Meanwhile, we have the Talibangelicals who seem to think that prayer is a cure-all. God save us from fools and madmen. And from Bible-thumpers, ffs. *smh*
Put them next to someone with HIV/AIDS, their attitude will change REALLLL quick.
So. Day one of lockdown. It's quiet, like Christmas day quiet. There is roughly 2-3 cars per freight truck. The supermarket I was at was really quiet. With the exception of baking items (flour, yeast) it was fairly well stocked.
The government did make the decision to allow people the ability to take excercise walks and runs and for the most part people are fine about it. A couple of bad eggs claiming they didn't know about it, but fingers crossed the population stick to the rules.
rachel on 26/3/2020 at 11:50
We're only allowed out for groceries, meds and walking the dog. (We have no dog.) The supermarket is right around the corner so it's always pretty fast if you time it well to avoid queuing (they limit it to 10 clients inside at a time)
Day 15
My next online purchase is likely to be an exercise bike.
