Thirith on 25/3/2020 at 07:11
Quote Posted by Renzatic
The economy will repair itself within a year or two. The damage we'll see waiting this thing out in no way represents an existential threat to the United States. We've got a few months of suck ahead of us, but we'll get through it, and we'll recover. There's no reason to panic over this other than for base politics.
I think that's a bit too simple, though. Economically, this will prove to be an existential threat to some, and more so in those countries where there's less of a social safety net. If you don't have job security, if you haven't got savings stashed away, this is massively scary. "We" will get through it and "we" will recover, but a lot of individuals making up that "we" may not be so lucky.
Edit: I absolutely agree with you that some level of shut-down is not only essential, it'll also do less economic damage than some stupid soldiering on, but there will be victims apart from the whole health dimension, and more so in a country like the US, I suspect.
lowenz on 25/3/2020 at 07:17
See why the welfare is important?
You can prevent wars (with other wars, sigh) but you can't prevent the action of a new aerial hyper-contagious virus that can use your own life-saving drugs to reach for every body corner.
You are not getting a viral pneumonia AND the killer interstitial reaction of your own body? You'll get a nice&classic encephalitis or nephropathy thanks to the synergy with the (life-saving) drugs.
Renzatic on 25/3/2020 at 07:24
Oh, and if you think I'm exaggerating when I state that this virus could claim more lives than all our recent wars, here's the tally of all US deaths in the most memorable wars of the last 100 years.
World War I: 115,000 dead
World War II: 400,000 dead
Korean War: 35,000 dead
Vietnam: 60,000 dead
Desert Storm: 300 dead
Iraq II: 5,000 dead
Afganistan: 3000 dead
Total: 618,000 dead Americans.
Projected Coronavirus death toll if we drop the quarantine, and let it infect ~20% of the population, and it ends up killing 1-3.5% of those numbers: 600,000 to 2,100,000
...so it's either matches, or claims 4x the amount of Americans who died in all the big foreign wars of the last 100 years, depending on how the dice roll.
Renzatic on 25/3/2020 at 07:27
Quote Posted by Thirith
I think that's a bit too simple, though. Economically, this will prove to be an existential threat to some, and more so in those countries where there's less of a social safety net. If you don't have job security, if you haven't got savings stashed away, this is massively scary. "We" will get through it and "we" will recover, but a lot of individuals making up that "we" may not be so lucky.
It's gonna be ugly. There's no doubt about that. There will be a lot of people who suffer from the fallout of all this.
But we have some control over how ugly it gets. We need to keep our heads level, and give it a steady, responsible response.
lowenz on 25/3/2020 at 08:22
Quote Posted by Renzatic
Oh, and if you think I'm exaggerating when I state that this virus could claim more lives than all our recent wars, here's the tally of all US deaths in the most memorable wars of the last 100 years.
World War I: 115,000 dead
World War II: 400,000 dead
Korean War: 35,000 dead
Vietnam: 60,000 dead
Desert Storm: 300 dead
Iraq II: 5,000 dead
Afganistan: 3000 dead
Total: 618,000 dead Americans.
Projected Coronavirus death toll if we drop the quarantine, and let it infect ~20% of the population, and it ends up killing 1-3.5% of those numbers: 600,000 to 2,100,000
...so it's either matches, or claims 4x the amount of Americans who died in all the big foreign wars of the last 100 years, depending on how the dice roll.
No tests (on the bodies), no coronadeaths ->
IT'S A FAKE GUYS, OPEN YOUR DAMN EYESS55555!!!1111111SubJeff on 25/3/2020 at 08:30
Quote Posted by lowenz
You are not getting a viral pneumonia AND the killer interstitial reaction of your own body? You'll get a nice&classic encephalitis or nephropathy thanks to the synergy with the (life-saving) drugs.
You keep posting this stuff.
Are you a scientist with some authority on this? If not, please don't post this stuff. Some of your assertions are quite un-scientific and I don't really see the point unless you are imparting real and useful information. You posts about ACE for example - is this proven yet? Afaik it's just one of many, many theories and it sounds woooo scaaaaary so it gets hyped by the usual hype-crew.
You input otherwise is great, so please don't be part of the hype-crew.
bob_doe_nz on 25/3/2020 at 09:35
OK finished shift 3/5 today at my local supermarket. It was... Nice. Restrictions on the number of people allowed in at any time meant people were not rushing around. We had lots of TP on site, bread was in stock and the freezers had food as well. We got into lockdown just over an hour from this post.
Luckily right now, I'm classed as essential so I can walk out and down the road to my local bus stop.
lowenz on 25/3/2020 at 10:52
Quote Posted by SubJeff
You keep posting this stuff.
Are you a scientist with some authority on this? If not, please don't post this stuff. Some of your assertions are quite un-scientific and I don't really see the point unless you are imparting real and useful information. You posts about ACE for example - is this proven yet? Afaik it's just one of many, many theories and it sounds woooo scaaaaary so it gets hyped by the usual hype-crew.
You input otherwise is great, so please don't be part of the hype-crew.
You can find everywhere this info
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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200323101354.htm)
bob_doe_nz on 25/3/2020 at 11:01
New Zealand is officially in lockdown for at least 4 weeks.
