lowenz on 20/3/2020 at 00:01

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Yeah, IN THE TIME OF NEED.

There's no use of "days" (a week in elders?) if the infection activates a deranged cytokine response BEFORE the immune system can suppress the pathogen responsible of the infection.
4 days for symptoms->hospitalization + 4 days for hospitalization->death (=8 days, the average time for the most severe cases with exitus where ICU can't help)
Interstitial pneumonia can get you kill with NO MORE active infection at all.

lowenz on 20/3/2020 at 01:20

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I said coronavirusES

Cold coronavirus doesn't wake up your immune system, the infection simply runs dry before the immune response get up but you got the so-called "cold" as an effect of the nasal mucosa inflammation!
A very similar behaviour can affect SARS2 / Covid-19 coronavirus, the lethal effect is the interstitial pneumonia and you got kill (severe case) BEFORE the immune system can do anything.
Or maybe the infection is already solved but the pneumonia still affects you lungs 'cause is more related to the body reaction than to the virus "proper" activity itself.

Why tell me that the immune system wakes up in the not severe cases where the infection does not represent a danger cause it can't induce the pneumonia so there's NO serious desease to cure? It'a tautological.

Renzatic on 20/3/2020 at 02:56

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It's weird. I hear all these talks about Russian trolls, and bot accounts spamming news sites on Facebook with links to sway impressionable people, but I've always thought it was a little overexaggerated.

...but with this outbreak, I've been seeing some really weird people saying some really weird things in casual conversations that come across less like how real people talk, and more like how Vae comes across.

Like in this one article posted by one of my local news channels about the situation in Italy, and all these people came in, slamming it as fake news, that Italy had terrible healthcare with dirty hospitals, and whatnot. The weirdest one was this lady talking about her vacation there, and how the tour guides all slammed their healthcare system. She said she wanted to visit the country, know their trials and tribulations, experience their socialist way of life for herself.

...WHO THE FUCK TALKS LIKE THAT?

Pyrian on 20/3/2020 at 03:16

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You mean besides Vae, T_T, jkcerda, etc.?

Starker on 20/3/2020 at 04:12

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Look, it's not that I automatically dismiss the reports of C-vitamin megadoses being super useful for combating all kinds of disease by *checks notes* orthomolecular medicine proponents, it's just that I believe evidence-based medicine over anecdotal reports from alternative medicine practitioners. Maybe huge doses of vitamin this and that could really be useful in treating something, who knows. But despite all those hopeful anecdotes and claims, at least so far, it doesn't seem to be the case for cancers, AIDS, or even the common cold: (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11700812)

Also, while 50 grams of vitamin C won't kill you, because our bodies cannot store it and it's going to be flushed out, that doesn't mean it's good for you. High doses of vitamin C have been reliably associated with several unpleasant side effects like indigestion and kidney stones and in rare cases even some very dangerous ones like iron overload (though it does seem to require an underlying condition that increases iron absorption for it to occur).