Starker on 19/3/2020 at 06:17
Yeah, Japan has the oldest population in the world by a large margin (second is Italy). And they have only managed to test about as many people in total as South Korea tests in a day. If it's really being done just for the Olympics, that's batshit insane.
Pyrian on 19/3/2020 at 07:09
Well, hopefully the measures will contain it. If they get hit hard, there won't be any concealing it.
SubJeff on 19/3/2020 at 09:28
Quote Posted by Renzatic
Italian has always sounded like flamboyant Spanish to me. Like they're basically the same language (which they are, when you get right down to it), but Italian is somehow even more sing-songy and all up in your grill with excitement.
Is it? I thought Italian was more related to French.
Quote Posted by lowenz
In this case there's NO immunity 'cause:
2) Actually Coronaviruses seem to
NOT wake up the immune system at allThis is completely false. Completely.
lowenz on 19/3/2020 at 09:58
Quote Posted by SubJeff
Is it? I thought Italian was more related to French.
This is completely false. Completely.
Completely false?
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https://www.repubblica.it/salute/medicina-e-ricerca/2020/03/17/news/coronavirus_ecco_come_agisce_il_sistema_immunitario-251508086/)
Doherty Institute - a joint venture between the University of Melbourne and Royal Melbourne hospital(Automatic translation)
"After three days, we identified the emergence of a strong population of immune cells, a recovery signal already identified during the seasonal flu infection. We therefore predicted that the patient was on the mend, and it did." "We have shown that even though Covid-19 is caused by a new virus, in an otherwise healthy person a robust immune response associated with clinical recovery, similar to what we have observed in common flu."
It is still early to say whether contracting Covid-19 once confers immunity from a relapse, scholars point out. "We know we can generate immune responses to the virus. The next question is whether the immune response confers immunity, and for how long. We now hope to expand the study nationally and internationally to understand why some people die from Covid-19 and others don't , and to develop rapid responses also to future emerging viruses, "conclude the researchers.3 days of lag in a 40 yo! During these 3 days (5/6 for elders?) the reactive inflammation-induced interstitial pneumonia can kill virtually every old person (it takes some
HOURS to go critical)
lowenz on 19/3/2020 at 10:03
And it seems SARS2 really loves ACE2 molecules in the bloodstream, so think about all those old people taking ACE-inhibitors (and how they work) to control the blood pressure.
Dia on 19/3/2020 at 11:43
Well, I'm worrying constantly about my kids', grandkids', great-grandkids' health and welfare and the fact that I'm jeopardizing my health every time I show up for my part-time job as a cashier at a retail store, which I have to do because Social Security doesn't make ends meet for me. Oh, and trying desperately NOT to appear to be all judgey when some selfish asshole comes to my register with three shopping carts loaded with toilet paper, hand sanitizer, disinfectant wipes, bottled water and other items that other people need just as much as the asshole hoarders. Other than that, on my days off I play Dying Light (& The Following; driving that buggy is SO much fun and I have a blast live-streaming my zombie-killing sessions on Twitch), catching up with tons of TV series I missed before I got my Roku, reading a lot (CJ Cherryh is second only to Asimov), and trying to force myself not to worry so much. I also try not to get all bent out of shape about how too many scared (or just plain ignorant) people are swallowing so many stupid rumors and false facts about CV-19, so I've been limiting my time spent online at forums, news sources and social media sites in order to preserve my mental health and faith in humanity.
P.S. Checked out your link and whatever you're creating looks awesome, Bob. I just don't know what it is. ;);)
zombe on 19/3/2020 at 13:20
Quote Posted by lowenz
Completely false?
Yes.
First of, it takes days to even get the symptoms - but after that it can, indeed, go bad very quickly. Too quickly for some - true - but not due to unprecedented sluggishness of immune response.
Adaptive immune response normally takes 4-7 days to fully set it. "After three days, we identified the emergence of a strong population of immune cells" - sounds business as usual. So, we got a nice and fast response (directly contradicting you). Which is promising for vaccine development (*) - which does not need the initial slow replication phases to begin with and can use additional means to alarm the immune system - likely allowing to bring the vaccine induced adaptive immune response down to the usual 12-24 hour mark.
*) btw. human testing for covid-19 vaccine has already started (ie. all the previous steps have checked out - need to dot the i's and cross the t's to be sure now).
zombe on 19/3/2020 at 13:31
Quote Posted by lowenz
And it seems SARS2 really loves ACE2 molecules in the bloodstream, so think about all those old people taking ACE-inhibitors (and how they work) to control the blood pressure.
ACE2 molecules are not in the bloodstream, they are in the attacked cell membrane serving as entry point for the virus ... but anyway.
I checked the blood pressure and its medicine issue a some days ago - and got a headache. It is very confusing interactions there (in relation to covid-19). It can both help the issue and harm it (like i said - really complicated chain of influences) ... lots of research. Current consensus seems to be: fuck if we know - more research needed. However, bad news for high blood pressure people anyway as the cells the virus attacks are what kills us when they clog up and fall apart - high blood pressure sure "helps" to speed that up :(.
I have high blood pressure - but i am off meds.
lowenz on 19/3/2020 at 13:41
Bloodstream -> BLOOD VESSELS, of course they're not in the blood moving around.
