lowenz on 31/7/2024 at 06:45
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Ah yes, the old 'out of the hundreds of thousands of people who got vaccinated, these four people had LIFE ALTERING SIDE EFFECTS' chestnut. It seems like basic statistical understanding and the idea of correlation != causation isn't a strong point with anti-vaxxers, but I suppose a lack of critical thinking faculties shouldn't be surprising there.
And only all around him.....here we got mass vaccinated because we've seen with our own eyes - literally - a
+600% death rate in month of march and april 2020 (there was no more room in the Bergamo crematorium so the Army got the coffins a take them to other crematoriums) and the SAME hospitals registered no saturation because "vaccines destroying side effects" LOL. The vaccines are the same (Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca), we're not aliens.
The only people I know (in my circles) having problem with the vaccines are well know hypochondriacs. Of course those people have problem with the vaccine, they have problem with everything.....the other people spreading lies was italian trumpists FB network "
take the Hydroxychloroquine!!111111 It's safe" (yeah, it can just kill you for real).
DuatDweller on 31/7/2024 at 10:41
Quote Posted by lowenz
Not credible, only around you.....
Not just me, man, my friends reported me all this.
I wasn't that paranoid before this, now I think they're even more paranoid than I'm paranoid.
And yes, they're not affected by mental problems.
Nicker on 31/7/2024 at 22:51
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Not just me, man, my friends reported me all this.
Again, your hearsay, anecdotal evidence defies actual data. For you to be personally or indirectly aware of two or three instances of life altering COVID vaccine reactions, your circle of friends either numbers in the millions or is supernaturally prone to medical misfortune.
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"Anecdotal" can refer to:
1. Relaying personal experiences[1] or sense data,[2] also called testimony, or a testimonial.[3]
2. Relaying the words or experiences of another[4] named person,[5] sometimes called hearsay.[6]
3. Relaying an account from an fictional source, or story[7] with no attribution, also called an apocryphal[8] saying, an old wives' tale, a myth, or folklore.
Because the term connotes three very different kinds of evidence, discussion of the term can result in accidental or intentional equivocation , where people are talking about different meanings of the term without realizing it. Since an anecdote may be real or fictional,[9] it is often difficult to talk about this form of evidence as a category without explaining exactly what type of anecdotal evidence is being referenced.
Anecdotal Evidence usually is not subject to rules of legal, historical, academic, or intellectual rigor, meaning that there are little or no safeguards against fabrication or inaccuracy. This does not mean that all anecdotal evidence is false, it just means that the methodology of scholarly method or the scientific method, or legal requirements of testimony have not been required of the evidence.
Subjective Effect on 1/8/2024 at 07:31
Quote Posted by Nicker
For you to be personally or indirectly aware of two or three instances of life altering COVID vaccine reactions, your circle of friends either numbers in the millions or is supernaturally prone to medical misfortune.
Or is full of it.
I'm sure Duat's friends are as full to the brim with vaccine lies and conspiracy theories as he is, so anything that happens will be down to the vaccine. Got cancer? Vaccine. Got a cold? Vaccine. Lost my job because I was being an ass at work all the time? Vaccine.
That's how these people think.
Qooper on 1/8/2024 at 12:13
Quote Posted by Subjective Effect
Or is full of it.
I'm sure Duat's friends are as full to the brim with vaccine lies and conspiracy theories as he is, so anything that happens will be down to the vaccine. Got cancer? Vaccine. Got a cold? Vaccine. Lost my job because I was being an ass at work all the time? Vaccine.
That's how these people think.
That was uncalled for. I understand you disagree with Duat, but there's no reason to attack him.
Subjective Effect on 1/8/2024 at 12:33
That's not an attack. That's an explanation.
I hope you feel better.
Qooper on 1/8/2024 at 13:55
What would make me feel better, and I'm sure everyone else too, is the promotion of manners and a culture of civilized discussion. This certainly wouldn't be out of place here, since TTLG is known for a more intelligent crowd. Many topics evoke emotions, but our responses can still be skilful and constructive. My point is that comparing an insult to a polite response, the polite response will always be more powerful. Wouldn't you agree?
Sulphur on 1/8/2024 at 14:26
In general, sure. But before we get all po-faced around here: we've entertained all sorts here (you of all people should know, considering DoTheGeek asked you to smuggle drugs for his illness to him), but there's a hard limit to the things that need to be tolerated, and when someone's being actively resistant to logic, there's no need to be all kid gloves about it.
Qooper on 1/8/2024 at 14:53
Quote Posted by Sulphur
In general, sure. But before we get all po-faced around here: we've entertained all sorts here (you of all people should know, considering DoTheGeek asked you to smuggle drugs for his illness to him), but there's a hard limit to the things that need to be tolerated, and when someone's being actively resistant to logic, there's no need to be all kid gloves about it.
He didn't ask me to smuggle drugs for him, although (
https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=151984&p=2494655&viewfull=1#post2494655) his post sounded very suspicious and I had my guard up. I knew he needed a friend to talk to, and I figured making maps together for old games might get his mind off of harmful things. I worry what happened to him.
I agree with you that bad behaviour shouldn't be tolerated, but there is a sense in which the idea of replying back with bad behaviour is against itself. What you can do instead is point out the bad behaviour without resorting to childish insults.
Sulphur on 1/8/2024 at 16:32
We both know that's where his request was headed, because he'd mentioned his need for a certain kind quite clearly prior and I recall seeing it in that thread, though I don't know if he edited it out subsequently.
At any rate, I think you're overestimating the amount of patience we should have, because this isn't the first time the exact same anti-vax nonsense has been spewed by the same parties, and it won't be the last. Being nice only takes the conversation so far, at some point after trying the other reasonable options, telling a person to bugger off is the only reasonable one left.
