Sulphur on 23/1/2024 at 17:32
What that means is people should be figuring out whether there's been a rise in smoking and alcohol use for these people since then, instead of randomly pointing at a vaccine without any corroborating evidence.
And here's a fun fact: HPV vaccines (
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8310210/) decrease the probability of getting oral cancer.
Starker on 23/1/2024 at 17:51
Not to mention that if there was some cancer-causing substance in those vaccines, you wouldn't see cases rise in some local hospital, you'd see them rise all over the world where there are vaccinations.
Azaran on 23/1/2024 at 18:26
From what I remember reading, vaccine ill effects do occur, but in less than 1% of people who get shots.
Compare that to the 10-15% risk of long covid you have if you're not vaccinatd
Thor on 30/7/2024 at 13:54
Leftism is a useful label to predict mass behavior, just like any other label. I'm using it for the sake of conveying a message, just like anyone else uses any other label. But when talking about truly real things, I also prefer to quit labels. Though this doesn't seem like the place for it. I will note that putting a label on something is still a decent predictor of someone, because even in seemingly politically irrelevant conversations about whatever, one can often gather largely which camp this person is going to vote for (or what their ideology is, if there is one), or how experimentally vaccinated *cough* excess deaths *cough* they are, etc.
lowenz on 30/7/2024 at 15:35
[QUOTE=Thor;2517454experimentally vaccinated *cough* excess deaths *cough*Ah ok, another "scientifically proven guy" that thinks science is about statistics interpretation without any model behind "
justlookatthenumberssss!!11111" :)
I'm really sorry for people like this, they don't understand they're DUPED into what they "think". Like redpills nutcases (redpill "antiwoke counter-culture" exists for that, to DUPE you).
lowenz on 30/7/2024 at 17:09
Quote Posted by Thor
haven't you talked with anyone outside of your bubble
Just check the COVID thread, I'm from the city (Bergamo) where the outbreak did begin here in Europe......and we (as the chineses) were the first to actually have autopsies about COVID deaths (and so knowing that COVID is much MUCH more than a lung disease).
If *A*vaccine - they're plenty, there's no "vaccine" - makes a damage to a person (there's a good bunch of dynamics about the possibilities), the *same* damage given by the infection is 10 times higher.
So yes, the vaccine is safe because the safety is not measured with an impossible "absolute" damage but in damage 1) done to the population having the hospitals collapsing due to number of ICUs occupied 2) related to the infection itself (of course in this case an antivax can transmutate in a COVID negationist and repeat the same scheme of denial/refusal of real scientifically driven behaviour).
Quote:
Laying out all the proofs while being pretty much ignored because it's just not profitable/safe to agree with them (although
health insurance companies are getting frustrated)
So it's MORE profitable, not less.
Anyway that's a criptomarxist argument, like every "antiwoke" argument is much more marxist than "wokeness".
How conservatives americans become nazbols is a really interesting phenomenon (do you remember the girl "Evalion" from some years ago? Oh well, another canadian with an american gigantic sheeple like Peterson or Molyneux......)
Thor on 30/7/2024 at 18:39
Quote Posted by lowenz
Just check the COVID thread, I'm from the city (Bergamo) where the outbreak did begin here in Europe......and we (as the chineses) were the first to actually have autopsies about COVID deaths (and so knowing that COVID is much MUCH more than a lung disease).
If *A*vaccine - they're plenty, there's no "vaccine" - makes a damage to a person (there's a good bunch of dynamics about the possibilities), the *same* damage given by the infection is 10 times higher.
So yes, the vaccine is safe because the safety is not measured with an impossible "absolute" damage but in damage 1) done to the population having the hospitals collapsing due to number of ICUs occupied 2) related to the infection itself (of course in this case an antivax can transmutate in a COVID negationist and repeat the same scheme of denial/refusal of real scientifically driven behaviour).
So it's MORE profitable, not less.
Anyway that's a criptomarxist argument, like every "antiwoke" argument is much more marxist than "wokeness".
How conservatives americans become nazbols is a really interesting phenomenon (do you remember the girl "Evalion" from some years ago? Oh well, another canadian with an american gigantic sheeple like Peterson or Molyneux......)
Lol, yeah I think I vaguely remember the teenage girl via context of another teenager mocking her. Although comparing her to the likes of Jordan Peterson or Molyneux is obviously disingenuous and only serves to show your personal stance.
Other than that, covid (with various sources pointing to it most likely being artificially created) was a gift to nobody whatsoever, but the vaccine was even more damage. My stepmother (or whatever she's supposed to be) as a nurse got the vaccine diligently. After 2nd or 3rd jab she admitted to starting feeling not ok but overall more chronically tired or otherwise unhappy. Many such "anecdotes". Meanwhile no such regrets from the unvaccinated. "Because they're dead" - no, they're all good. If any middle ground can be reached, it's that both the lab virus and the lab cure were both shit, and depressingly, most of the population got to participate
DuatDweller on 30/7/2024 at 22:40
Quote Posted by lowenz
Just check the COVID thread, I'm from the city (Bergamo) where the outbreak did begin here in Europe......and we (as the chineses) were the first to actually have autopsies about COVID deaths (and so knowing that COVID is much MUCH more than a lung disease).
If *A*vaccine - they're plenty, there's no "vaccine" - makes a damage to a person (there's a good bunch of dynamics about the possibilities), the *same* damage given by the infection is 10 times higher.
So yes, the vaccine is safe because the safety is not measured with an impossible "absolute" damage but in damage 1) done to the population having the hospitals collapsing due to number of ICUs occupied 2) related to the infection itself (of course in this case an antivax can transmutate in a COVID negationist and repeat the same scheme of denial/refusal of real scientifically driven behaviour).
Well around my neighborhood, 3 guys who were vaccinated got into a wheel chair, in a bad condition really, some dude in his early 20s got vaccinated, and bang heart problems, he wasn't sick before now he is ruined, a woman in her 40s got vaccinated, and she had sudden sight problems, another woman was in bad condition after getting vaccinated, she was barred from getting another dose.
Also the local hospital doctors, and nurses are seeing a flood of tongue cancer, when it was more a thing of one case every 5 years (after vaccine).
Vaccine, no thanks.
lowenz on 31/7/2024 at 06:44
Quote Posted by DuatDweller
Well around my neighborhood, 3 guys who were vaccinated got into a wheel chair, in a bad condition really, some dude in his early 20s got vaccinated, and bang heart problems, he wasn't sick before now he is ruined, a woman in her 40s got vaccinated, and she had sudden sight problems, another woman was in bad condition after getting vaccinated, she was barred from getting another dose.
Also the local hospital doctors, and nurses are seeing a flood of tongue cancer, when it was more a thing of one case every 5 years (after vaccine).
Vaccine, no thanks.
Not credible, only around you.....