Cipheron on 6/4/2022 at 12:45
Disproving that getting too many vaccine shots is gonna kill you:
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https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/man-germany-90-covid-19-shots-sell-forged-83843922)
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BERLIN -- A 60-year-old man allegedly had himself vaccinated against COVID-19 dozens of times in Germany in order to sell forged vaccination cards with real vaccine batch numbers to people not wanting to get vaccinated themselves.
The man from the eastern Germany city of Magdeburg, whose name was not released in line with German privacy rules, is said to have received up to 90 shots against COVID-19 at vaccination centers in the eastern state of Saxony for months until criminal police caught him earlier this month, the German news agency dpa reported Sunday.
Cipheron on 7/4/2022 at 11:58
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https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/antivaccination-beliefs-linked-to-childhood-trauma-researchers-find/news-story/dcb938cfb6a8f819fba375d7941722ee)
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... sought to understand why some people “have been so passionately, often angrily” opposed to Covid-19 vaccines by tapping into a rare, five-decade cohort study spanning childhood to midlife.
Researchers led by Duke University Psychology Professor Terrie Moffitt turned to their database, the Dunedin Multidisciplinary Health and Development Study, which has been tracking all of the nearly 1000 people born in 1972 and 1973 in a single town in New Zealand, measuring multiple social, psychological and health factors in each of the participants' lives.
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“Forty years ago, vaccine-resistant and to a lesser extent vaccine-hesitant adults were exposed to significantly more adverse childhood experiences marked by abuse, neglect, threat and deprivation,” the paper said.
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The survey also showed that among the vaccine-resistant “the mistrust was widespread”, extending not only to institutions (government, scientists, doctors, news media, drug companies), influencers (celebrities, social media), but also to friends, family, co-workers and faith leaders, according to the paper.
“That suggests to us that they learned from a tender age ‘don't trust the grown-ups',” Prof Moffitt said.
“If anyone comes on to you with authority, they're just trying to get something, and they don't care about you, they'll take advantage. That's what they learned in childhood, from their experiences growing up at home. And that kind of learning at that age leaves you with a sort of a legacy of mistrust. It's so deep-seated that it automatically brings up extreme emotions.”
The researchers added that “many vaccine-resistant and hesitant participants had cognitive difficulties in comprehending health information”.
The resistant and hesitant groups had scored lower on mental processing speed, reading level and verbal ability as children. At age 45, before the pandemic, these people were also found to have less practical everyday health knowledge. The findings were the same when controlled for the participants' socio-economic status.
Anarchic Fox on 7/4/2022 at 23:54
Quote Posted by Cipheron
1300 is actually a lot. If you ever studied statistics you know there are diminishing returns for larger sample sizes that are pretty much independent of the actual population size. As long as you randomize the selection.
The deviation in the average varies as one over the square root of the sample size. The returns are diminishing, but not to the degree you state. If you want to get your one-in-twenty chance of error down to one-in-a-hundred, you really do need 25x the sample size.
Yeah, I know I'm being pedantic. :p
Azaran on 8/4/2022 at 00:20
A couple of people I know recently got Omicron (one had Covid twice in the last 5 months, not sure what the first strain was), and they're saying they've never been so sick in their life. The one that got reinfected says the second feels worse, and she's double vaccinated
Pyrian on 8/4/2022 at 06:15
Quote Posted by Cipheron
If you ever studied statistics you know there are diminishing returns for larger sample sizes that are pretty much independent of the actual population size.
Quote Posted by Anarchic Fox
The returns are diminishing, but not to the degree you state.
He literally didn't state any particular degree of diminishment.
Quote Posted by Anarchic Fox
I know I'm being pedantic.
Pedant better.
Anarchic Fox on 8/4/2022 at 14:57
Quote Posted by Pyrian
He literally didn't state any particular degree of diminishment.
"Pretty much independent" is what I was referring to. It's in the part you quoted.
Cipheron has been a voice of reason in this thread, and I don't want to detract from that. Most of this thread is way beyond my expertise, but pure mathematics isn't, and I felt like the value of my correction outweighed its pedantry.
Pyrian on 8/4/2022 at 16:56
Quote Posted by Anarchic Fox
"Pretty much independent" is what I was referring to.
Oh, then you didn't understand what Cipheron wrote. What Cipheron said it was "pretty much independent of" was the
population size, and
not the sample size. E.g., 1300 samples out of a population of 1 million is virtually equivalent to 1300 samples out of a population of a billion. And that's correct, total population size isn't much of a factor in itself unless the sample is a significant percentage thereof (e.g. 1300 samples out of a population of 1500).
Anarchic Fox on 8/4/2022 at 17:30
Oops, you're right, I misread the sentence.
Cipheron on 8/4/2022 at 19:27
Oh righto, yeah, that's what I meant. It doesn't matter if it's 10 million or 100 million total people you do the math the same - all that matters is how big your sample size is.
And hope you didn't have any significant selection bias.
The reason i said "pretty much" is because if the sample size actually approached the population size then of course the math is gonna deviate from the formula.
Anarchic Fox on 8/4/2022 at 19:38
I misread you. Sorry about that.
