Pyrian on 17/1/2022 at 19:09
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A study of just 126 people. They gave them fiber (among other things) and found it improved their gut health, for both recent and prior gut issues.
Groundbreaking research, here.
And the headline goes with probiotics, even though a study such as this gives no evidence of probiotic efficacy given that fiber efficacy is known and included.
No link or other specific reference to the study, either.
faetal on 18/1/2022 at 00:28
Studies like that have a lot of potential confounding effects, so controls need to be tight.
That said, probiotics fall into the category of being fairly harmless - so the worst case is enjoying some placebo effect and maybe improving gut health.
[EDIT] Wow, yeah, the study is not great if it doesn't have a control group with double blinding. How are they controlling for placebo effect?
From the study:
Methods: From May 2020 to May 2021, we evaluated 126 participants with Covid-19, with an average duration of symptoms of 108 days, who were given 30 days of this pre and probiotic capsule within the ongoing UK national Phyto-v study. Symptoms were recorded using the validated Cough Symptom Score, the Subjective Well-Being questionnaire and the Chandler fatigue questionnaire. The group was analysed as a whole and then subdivided into 40 (32%) in an early phase of infection (average symptoms 10 days before baseline) and the 86 (68%) in a chronic phase (average symptoms 120 days before trial baseline).
Also, they just did statistical tests for decrease in symptoms between day 0 and day 30, to that's 2 factors not being controlled for - placebo effect and time.
zombe on 18/1/2022 at 20:04
The side effect of having a galloping pandemic - easier to get funding for crap science (have not read it, but does not sound good). I wonder how widespread that is (have noticed or being pointed out about quite a few covid related wtf science). Also, weird that all of them (i have encountered) report a (positive/indicative) result instead of a fail / non-indicative of anything result - is there an unbalanced incentive? I don't know. Cannot put my finger on it, but something feels different from other science topics. Just the unfortunate reporting-newsmedia-copy-pasta bias somehow being more out of whack than usual?
Nevermind me ... just wondering aloud. Also, i am seriously sleepy/loopy. Also-also, wtf tags - lol.
Pyrian on 18/1/2022 at 21:06
I think there's always a bias towards publishing "positive" findings over publishing results that don't meet statistical significance thresholds. To a certain extent, nobody wants to fund and perform a study to not find anything. My suspicion is further that studies that don't find anything, don't get published. (Heaven knows I've worked on more than a few pharmaceutical studies that went nowhere.)
Pyrian on 18/1/2022 at 21:09
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faetal on 18/1/2022 at 23:13
Quote Posted by Pyrian
I think there's
always a bias towards publishing "positive" findings over publishing results that don't meet statistical significance thresholds. To a certain extent, nobody wants to fund and perform a study to not find anything. My suspicion is further that studies that don't find anything, don't get published. (Heaven knows I've worked on more than a few pharmaceutical studies that went nowhere.)
This was one of my major bugbears when I worked in research. If you don't end up with the finding you were expecting, you just drop the project and move on. If negative findings were published, then the next wave of researchers aren't going to repeat a protocol which didn't yield results. It's un unknown quantity of course, but I wonder how much money, time, and expertise has been wasted over the years by people repeatedly attacking specious yet futile hypotheses because academia does not encourage publishing failed projects.
lowenz on 19/1/2022 at 22:59
Got the third jab of Pfizer DNA-altering alien juice and now I'm evolving to the ultimate mRNA-designed TAFFER with a scarred-eye zooming camera like Garrett :cool:
Azaran on 19/1/2022 at 23:17
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It's dietary fiber, FFS. :erg: I almost feel like there's a concerted effort to disguise the fact that the pill studied included fiber. Although, at 200mg/day, it's not
much fiber.
:erg:
Well, for whatever it's worth, they've also zeroing in on (
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/long-covid-could-antiplatelet-therapy-help#The-latest-study) aspirin as a possible treatment for Long Covid.
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The team analyzed blood samples from 70 people with confirmed long COVID to detect microclots. The authors also outlined a 1-month-long dual antiplatelet therapy for 24 people with long COVID. The therapy involved the participants taking 75 milligrams (mg) of Clopidogrel and 75 mg of Aspirin once each day before breakfast.
They also received 5 mg of the direct oral anticoagulant Apixiban twice daily and 40 mg each day of a proton pump inhibitor called Pantoprazole. They took Pantoprazole half an hour before eating their main meal to protect the stomach.
The participants took these drugs under strict medical supervision to mitigate severe side effects.
The participants provided a list of symptoms before and after treatment, and the researchers took blood samples at the end of the month of treatment.
The team found that all 70 participants had microclots in their blood and that all 24 people who received the antiplatelet and anticoagulant therapy reported improvements in their long COVID symptoms; they also saw a reduction of microclots.
Ever since I heard Covid causes clots, the first thing I wondered was if aspirin or other anticoagulants could be used to counter it.
There's (
https://elemental.medium.com/taken-early-aspirin-may-offer-protection-against-covid-19-6315f68dccd9) this too
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Covid-19 does its damage primarily via blood clots and inflammation. Aspirin, despite being one of the world’s oldest and cheapest medicines, is a potent blood thinner and anti-inflammatory agent. It can also block clots from forming. It seemed worth a look.
The early findings were promising. One study in the U.S. found that hospitalized Covid-19 patients promptly treated with aspirin were much less likely to need mechanical ventilation or ICU care than those who did not get the drug. Aspirin administration also reduced the risk of death.
There’s reason to believe that aspirin — if taken early enough in the course of infection — could provide life-saving benefits.
When that study came out last October, I spoke with two of its authors. They were optimistic about aspirin’s potential but said more work was needed to back up their findings.
Some of the research that followed seemed to deflate the aspirin balloon. A meta-analysis published last January in the American Journal of Cardiology concluded that aspirin treatment does not reduce Covid-19 mortality. More recently, an NIH-sponsored clinical trial found no evidence that giving aspirin to Covid-19 patients led to better outcomes.
Despite these findings, there’s still reason to believe that aspirin — if taken early enough in the course of infection — could provide life-saving benefits.
The most compelling evidence comes from a group of researchers at the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA). For a study published earlier this year, the VA group examined health data collected from more than 35,000 people, many of whom were at increased risk for severe Covid-19 disease due to age and comorbidities.
About one in four people in the study were taking aspirin for medical reasons. (A daily low-dose aspirin is often prescribed for those at risk for heart trouble or stroke.) After controlling for variables that could skew their data, the VA team found that the risk of death due to Covid-19 decreased by more than 60% among aspirin users, compared to a matched group that did not take aspirin.
“When we first saw the data, we didn’t quite believe it,” says Thomas Osborne, MD, first author of the study and director of the VA’s National Center for Collaborative Healthcare Innovation. The protective effects of aspirin were so robust that he and his co-authors took extra time to review their work and confirm their figures with outside experts. Everything held up. “We thought geez, this is a big deal,” Osborne says.
A highly respected journal, PLOS ONE, published his group’s findings in February. That same month, a similar study from Israel also found that people taking aspirin to prevent heart disease were protected from Covid-19. Osborne says he expected to see significant interest and follow-up work on aspirin. But so far that hasn’t happened. “I don’t understand it,” he says.
“It is amazing to me that aspirin isn’t a bigger part of the dialogue.”
He and I talked about some of the other aspirin research that has appeared this year, including the prominent NIH-funded clinical trial that failed to find evidence of a benefit. He says it’s possible that this trial discouraged interest in aspirin, but he doesn’t believe its findings clash with his own. That’s because, in the NIH-funded trial,
people started taking aspirin relatively late in the course of the infection.
“Aspirin may work really well as a preventative, but it can’t dissolve a blood clot once it’s formed,” he explains. “So I think the key to aspirin is taking it before you get really sick.”