henke on 21/6/2021 at 11:12
Haha yeah that video's great. The Wakefield stuff is horrifying and fascinating, and Hbomberguy is just ON FIRE in this one. I've gone back and rewatched the first 2 minutes several times now. What a performance.
lowenz on 21/6/2021 at 12:31
[Irony, I'm a TTLG double agent]
[Censorship by mockery, I'm in Pfizer paybook too]
All of you, obnubilated by a CIA agent!!!111 The video guy is a wolf in sheep's cloathing!!11111
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Now with a convenient indentation too!
zombe on 1/7/2021 at 09:05
What is the vaccinations situation in UK? Looks like 4th wave is gaining ground there - rather rapidly. Why?
lowenz on 1/7/2021 at 09:40
Delta variant is NOT well covered by vaccines and it is rather aggressive from a contagion perspective.
faetal on 1/7/2021 at 14:41
All countries should have taken a zero-COVID approach (or as close as possible) from the outset.
Letting a virus run rampant while rolling out preventative measures more or less guarantees the emergence of new variants, since large scale reproduction + selection pressure are probably the 2 primary determinants of evolution.
The stats in France, where I'm at, are looking the best they have been in ages at the moment, but I genuinely worry what the effect will be when travel resumes in earnest and the variants start gaining ground over here.
I wonder if this will end up being the new tuberculosis. Not in terms of overall potency / virulence / pathphysiology / disease type, etc. more that it will be this generation's "everyone had someone die from COVID at their school" disease.
At the very least, I don't see a future where we aren't getting seasonal vaccines to cover whatever the latest variant is.
Cue throngs of anti-vaxxers claiming that was the plan all along etc... (while never being able to actually point to an effect linked to vaccines which would merit a plan on that scale).
zombe on 1/7/2021 at 17:22
Delta variant? Oh, missed that. Will look around a bit ...
It appears the Delta variant is 99% of the cases in UK. It is claimed that AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines are still very effective against the variant, but efficiency is greatly lower if have got only one shot of it. What is the second-dose situation there? Also, it seems the variant is more able to benefit from younger people being less vaccinated - bridging the gaps where other variants had trouble. Umm...
Situation here, Estonia, at this time is good (184 cases and no deaths in last 7 days and still on reduction trend). Vaccinations had a big hiccup recently - delivery problems. Not sure whether the issues still are present or not - but i have an inkling that general interest has also somewhat faded. If true, then that is bad timing as the variant will reach us sooner or later ...
Current vaccination stats (top = various age groups, left = all the counties) - "% have got at least one shot":
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https://postimages.org/)
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https://i.postimg.cc/x170LQrK/Screenshot-2021-07-01-Koroonaviiruse-andmestik-Terviseamet.pngTotals: 33.3% fully vaccinated, 42.1% at least one shot.
Seems we are pretty much still widely open for any variant - not to mention the Delta one.
caffeinatedzombeh on 1/7/2021 at 19:13
Quote Posted by zombe
It appears the Delta variant is 99% of the cases in UK. It is claimed that AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines are still very effective against the variant, but efficiency is greatly lower if have got only one shot of it. What is the second-dose situation there?
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https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations)
82% of over 18s have had one dose, 63% have had two. (I've had one, 2nd one is start of September)
Anyone over 18 can book their vaccination now, they stopped limiting it by age partly as they'd got down to the mid 30s anyway and partly in response to that new variant where the reaction to any significant outbreak was just to vaccinate everyone in the area who wanted one.
heywood on 1/7/2021 at 20:17
I don't know how people are behaving there, but where I live the majority of people have started acting as if COVID-19 is over and done with. Cases are at the lowest they've been, which is great. But in my state, vaccinations have ground to a halt before reaching the target threshold for herd immunity. We have 61% of the population with one dose and 54% fully vaccinated, and those numbers have barely risen at all over the last month. There will be another wave where Delta or some new strain takes advantage of the unvaccinated and breaks through among some of those who have been vaccinated. It will be interesting to see how people react when it comes. I suspect the reaction here will be minimal this time and the virus will just take who it can take.
Cipheron on 2/7/2021 at 05:47
Quote Posted by heywood
I don't know how people are behaving there, but where I live the majority of people have started acting as if COVID-19 is over and done with. Cases are at the lowest they've been, which is great. But in my state, vaccinations have ground to a halt before reaching the target threshold for herd immunity. We have 61% of the population with one dose and 54% fully vaccinated, and those numbers have barely risen at all over the last month. There will be another wave where Delta or some new strain takes advantage of the unvaccinated and breaks through among some of those who have been vaccinated. It will be interesting to see how people react when it comes. I suspect the reaction here will be minimal this time and the virus will just take who it can take.
If delta or a later variant hits young people harder then you're going to see some shift there.
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https://news.yahoo.com/vaccinated-people-dying-delta-variant-104813911.html)
Quote:
The UK has recorded a total of 117 deaths in people with the Delta coronavirus variant.
Fifty were among people who'd taken two doses of vaccines - a reminder that the shots are imperfect.
No fully vaccinated people under 50 died, and the overall death rate was 0.13%.
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Eight people under the age of 50 died after getting the Delta variant, the data showed. None was fully vaccinated, while two had received one dose of the vaccine.
However to fully understand these figures you need more information than this. 8 people under 50 died from the delta variant. None were fully vaccinated. But that really tells you nothing: maybe older people were prioritized for vaccination in the first place. So you need to know at a minimum what percentage of people in the different age groups are vaccinated. For example if half the people over 50 were vaccinated, and there were 100 Covid deaths in that age group, and 50 of the deaths were of vaccinated people, then you wouldn't conclude the vaccine did very much to prevent it. Alternatively, say the vaccination rate for over 50s was
91%. Well, then there would be 10 vaccinated people per each non-vaccinated person, so a death rate of 50:50 would actually be evidence that the vaccine is working: the death
rate per vaccinated person is 10% compared to the rate for non-vaccinated people.
Similarly, only 8 under 50's died so it's not a big sample-size. Additionally, maybe the vaccination rate for younger people is just a lot lower due to prioritization of older people, so there just aren't that many fully-vaccinated young people to get infected in the first place.
However for young people the main risk i see is some worse variant coming along that kills kids. That's going to cause panic. Influenza kills children quite easily, but current Covid doesn't. We don't know whether this will remain the case. Covid-19 is still mutating, it hasn't settled in to any sort of stable form.
Dia on 2/7/2021 at 14:18
Saw this article this morning and had a strong feeling unease. I have to wonder if perhaps certain states are mistakenly convinced the pandemic is over and they needn't report new virus cases as they had previously. Which leads to the question of how many of those states are going to do their best to cover up or outright ignore new covid cases moving forward? It's rather concerning considering the rapid spread of the Delta variant (and the number of nutjobs in this country who refuse to get vaccinated). I wish the author of the article had provided a list of the states that are refusing to send daily or even weekly reports on the number of new covid cases or opting out of sending any reports at all; it'd be nice to know if my state's government has had their collective brain leak out their right ear. I'll just have to assume it's the 'usual suspects' (y'all know the states I'm referring to ;);) ).
'Dozens of states end daily COVID-19 data reports, causing experts to fear hidden outbreaks
ARIELLE MITROPOULOS
Fri, July 2, 2021, 4:00 AM·
After 16 months of coronavirus-related restrictions and requirements -- mask mandates, social distancing, extensive state of emergencies -- nearly every jurisdiction in the country has now moved to ease up or, for some, completely lift them.
The move comes as many communities attempt to begin to return to some sense of pre-pandemic normalcy, following a 95% drop in the number of cases since the beginning of the year when infections peaked at over 250,000 cases a day.
Less than 12,000 patients are hospitalized with the virus across the country -- a stark difference from the early months of 2021, when 10 times that amount were hospitalized nationwide.
Despite the hopeful news, health experts suggest that current metrics do not tell the full story of the U.S.'s continued struggle with COVID-19.
According to an ABC News survey of state COVID-19 information dashboards, more than two dozen states have now either opted to no longer offer daily statistical coronavirus updates or plan to end daily reports in the coming weeks, a choice which has been a source of great concern for health experts as the more virulent delta variant spreads.'
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https://www.yahoo.com/gma/dozens-states-end-daily-covid-090003221.html)
As heywood said, most people/states are starting to act as though the pandemic is over;
it's not. I get apprehensive when I see so many people in stores or gas stations, etc., not only going maskless but refusing to maintain social distancing as well. I make an obvious and exaggerated effort to avoid those people because a.) I can't get the vaccine yet (doctor's orders) and b.) I really, truly do NOT want to contract the damned virus or its Delta variant because I know my chances of surviving the damned bug are slim (it's called being in the high risk category). I can't afford to have my groceries delivered all the time and now even curbside pickup seems a tad hazardous as the store employees who now trot your groceries out to your car are going maskless; one overly-perky grocery store (curbside) employee even offers to shake hands after I've said thank you, every time I pick up my groceries from that store (I'm afraid I'm less than civil every time he does that; I just glare at him over my mask and say 'Seriously??!!'). I feel as though I'm running an obstacle course every time I go to the store, ffs. *smh*
