lowenz on 17/6/2021 at 07:00
If in the comments section i see victimhood tone comments like "Just two weeks ago YouTube would have censored this video for spreading "medical misinformation" and "conspiracy theories." My how things have changed." THAT'S prove MY theory, not yours :p
Media use this kind of material as a lever not to gain a virus function but this reaction:
"WE WERE ALWAYS RIGHT, BASTARDS!!!1111"
How can't you see the victimhood stimulation in this kind of dynamic?
You're just proving paranoid thinking and victimhood complex go hand in hand!
faetal on 17/6/2021 at 08:11
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
This is a discussion, not a scientific journal.
Yes, but when someone ups the ante and introduces credible references, you kind of need to match the quality to stay in the game.
If you can't do it with logic, or with references, or with sheer "wake up sheeples" brute force, then it might be time to re-assess your position.
If you aren't willing to do that, then why enter into debate at all? If all you are looking for is someone to agree with your existing beliefs, there are plenty of conspiracy sites to frequent where you'll have everyone nodding along in unison with the talking points you all parrot like real free thinkers.
Al_B on 18/6/2021 at 22:06
Agreed, but it's simpler than that.
Yes, this is a discussion. No-one has been censored for having crazy ideas about Coronavirus on this forum. Claiming that dissenting voices are being silenced or censored simply isn't happening here.
If nboh1more wants to claim that the CIA secretly orchestrated a leak from a lab in China while simultaneously claiming that China didn't worry about that happening - well, I disagree, but sure - why not consider that. It's good for accepted ideas to be challenged but to move forward it has to pass scrutiny. There's no lack of intelligence in this thread for digging into the details and assessing whether something is credible.
Throwing shit at the wall and finding it doesn't stick doesn't mean that the problem is you haven't flung enough.
lowenz on 19/6/2021 at 11:38
Quote Posted by Al_B
Yes, this is a discussion. No-one has been censored for having crazy ideas about Coronavirus on this forum. Claiming that dissenting voices are being silenced or censored simply isn't happening here.
And what about someone saying "
That's precisely the strategic condescending/concession to simulate freedom!!!!111111 You give us (apparent) freedom just to trick us in (apparent) contradiction!!!1111" :D
'cause the bad thing about paranoia it's that it's a slippery slope to hell, being a maniac expression (paranoia logic is very similar to hypochondria logic,
it's a bottomless pit / black hole and you can recognize it by the
ever-present and ever-iterating overfitting dynamic)
faetal on 19/6/2021 at 15:54
I've been accused of being a shill due to my "convenient" employment history in gene engineering. He's not just trying to share his ideas, he's arguing in bad faith and ignoring every response while trying to undermine the intellectual honesty of not just the people discussing with him, but the reference material being used to back up people's points.
He's not trying to challenge the status quo, he's spamming links which are either garbage or which don't really back his talking points. He's derailing what should be a discussion about the ongoing global pandemic into a sisyphean game of whack a mole which is lowering the thread's signal to noise ratio.
lowenz on 19/6/2021 at 16:23
learnt a new word, thanks!
an accomplice of a confidence trickster or swindler who poses as a genuine customer to entice or encourage others.
LOL, perfect for TTLG :p
nbohr1more on 20/6/2021 at 13:01
Quote Posted by Al_B
Agreed, but it's simpler than that.
Yes, this is a discussion. No-one has been censored for having crazy ideas about Coronavirus on this forum.
Claiming that dissenting voices are being silenced or censored simply isn't happening here.
Look at how many people have been asking to "ban me" and then tell me again that censorship isn't on the table here.
My point is that there are two reasons for censorship beyond the scope of this forum:
1) The political alliance of big tech and the DNC are so dumb that they think they can "stifle conspiracy theories" by erasing them from the internet ( for the purpose of controlling the narrative )
2) There is some sliver of truth to these conspiracy theories and the political alliance of big tech and the DNC do not want outside people stumbling around figuring out which things are outlandish and which are close to the truth
It could very well be the former, but even that is "bad for society" since it stifles the ability for society to use outside channels to audit "the establishment".
As for "de-railing" the topic?
What is more on-topic than pointing out two mainstream articles ( Vanity Fair, NY Post ) where scientists claim that the Lab Leak theory is credible?
If you think that the articles are misleading or do not have the stature to be added to this conversation, then examine the scientists in each article
and explain why their scope, credentials, (etc) are insufficient to lend credence to their claims.
Also, how is my highlighting Jon Stewart believing the Lab Leak theory more "off topic" than a bunch of memes about anti-mask \ anti-vax idiots?
If I recall correctly, some of the anti-vax memes were confirmed to be created by Chinese shill farms:
(
https://www.politico.com/newsletters/global-pulse/2021/01/28/what-chinas-vax-trolling-adds-up-to-491548)
So what's worse:
1) Mocking "Trump Supporters" \ Rednecks for being anti-vax
2) Believing that "Trump Supporters" are posting anti-vax content when it is actually the Chinese government
?
If you do the former, then Trump Supporters will believe you are "brainwashed" and you will be helping the Chinese government to kill them.
faetal on 20/6/2021 at 14:03
I'm not asking anyone to ban (nor have I ever) you but either prove it, or STFU.
You have been spewing nonsense for over a year and have yet to provide a single source which isn't either an unreferenced opinion piece or an article which maybe backs up a single uncontroversial component of what you are claiming, but none of the contentious points that are riding along with it.
Hitchens' razor - that which can be posited without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence. So basically, you've spent god knows how many hours saying nothing of substance.
Everything you are saying boils down to nothing. We're supposed to believe it just because you do? Who even are you? If you want to convince people, you need to give them reasons above "hey guys, this is super important to me, and the notion of providing evidence is upsetting my sensibilities".
As always though, I wonder why you even care. What is it about this forum in particular that you have decided has to be subjected to your endless rants about the deep state and claims that a global pandemic is somehow all about the political affairs of one country? Why is TTLG the hill you have chosen to die on? It's just fucking weird. Like, you've even hinted at one point, that I, a person who has been coming to this forum since 2002 and posting fairly regularly, and have a fair few people from here on Facebook and have even met some in actual meatspace, am some kind of pharma industry plant, specifically chosen to act as a sleeper agent embedded in a '90s nostalgia gaming forum.
RK'Spectre on 20/6/2021 at 14:27
DNFTT
