Jashin on 15/6/2021 at 15:43
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
Where were such venomous retorts when people gasped about Carter Page's possible Russian connections or how connected Giulliani might be to the Italian Mafia?
Did a bunch or right-winger come out of the wood-works to say "how dare you muse about these topics without citing 50 peer reviewed sources"?
Remember when people were ALLOWED to have personal opinions and discuss their internal speculations or the speculations of others?
Remember when people were free to discuss whether JFK was assassinated by the Government or whether 9/11 was an inside job and nobody would bat an eye.
It was just normal folks grasping at limited public info and trying to make some sort of sense of things? To attempt to dig deeper.
TV stations even made shows where pop-culture "experts" discussed topics like these.
Now, because people are so indoctrinated against "conspiracy theory" such free flowing discussions are halted.
That smells to me like a coordinated effort at information control ( info warfare ).
Let me tell you the "truth," it seems everyone knows except you.
Nobody here expects you to be able to cite a respectable source, cus your claims are all whacko. And if you actually acknowledge that you're "grasping at limited public info and trying to make some sort of sense of things," then fine.
But you took things much further, and in doing so you exposed yourself and your very limited knowledge. The only way someone would come to these conclusions is if they didn't know anything. It's very evident to those who do know things.
If you want a discussion, you discuss what you know. If you don't know, you listen. If you try to "contribute" to a discussion when you know nothing, there's a problem.
Also don't confuse scientific search for the truth with "normal folks grasping at limited public info and trying to make some sort of sense of things," that's where conspiracy theories come from. And you went there.
lowenz on 15/6/2021 at 16:24
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
highly specialized infection behaviors.
like induce taste disorders attacking the ......
bulbus olfactorius ? SARS2 does that.
Try to convince me that's "intentional", LOL.
lowenz on 15/6/2021 at 16:27
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
Where do we draw the line?
-> "Over-rationalization"
if you prefer: OVERFITTING of the interpretation model adopted to explain something.
You know I can explain you the planetary behaviour with Tycho Brahe system in 2021 too and the results are GOOD? "
The System wants you to believe Copernicus, that leftist bastard!!!!! Tycho does good enough and I can show you!!111" :D
And so the Trump chloroquine, etc, etc, etc.....it's always the same victimhood pattern!
nbohr1more on 15/6/2021 at 17:30
Quote Posted by Jashin
Let me tell you the "truth," it seems everyone knows except you.
Nobody here expects you to be able to cite a respectable source, cus your claims are all whacko. And if you actually acknowledge that you're "grasping at limited public info and trying to make some sort of sense of things," then fine.
But you took things much further, and in doing so you exposed yourself and your very limited knowledge. The only way someone would come to these conclusions is if they didn't know anything. It's very evident to those who do know things.
If you want a discussion, you discuss what you know. If you don't know, you listen. If you try to "contribute" to a discussion when you know nothing, there's a problem.
Also don't confuse scientific search for the truth with "normal folks grasping at limited public info and trying to make some sort of sense of things," that's where conspiracy theories come from. And you went there.
1) Go through my posts. Did I ever claim to be a virologist or expert in medical details?
2) Is the title of this thread "Coronavirus - (Virologists chime-in only)"
3) Have I ever claimed I
wasn't a conspiracy theorist ?
You seem to be laboring under the false pretense that conspiracy theorists are "bad for society". What do you think the folks investigating Watergate would be called
before they had any leads about that story? Or any investigation of coordinated crimes by government before any hard evidence was available?
It seems that you are easily convinced that the public should have it's teeth and claws removed in this way.
Only "experts and authorities" are allowed to speak. No speculations allowed.
catbarf on 15/6/2021 at 17:50
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
What do you think the folks investigating Watergate would be called
before they had any leads about that story? Or any investigation of coordinated crimes by government before any hard evidence was available?
If you actually cared, you'd stop doing the things that make conspiracy theorists (and you) look like idiots.
nbohr1more on 15/6/2021 at 18:29
Quote Posted by catbarf
If you actually cared, you'd stop doing the things that make conspiracy theorists (and you) look like idiots.
That is another thing you misunderstand: people are ALLOWED to be idiots, ignorant, wrong, etc.
The answer to that "problem" is not vitriol or censorship.
lowenz on 15/6/2021 at 20:36
Quote Posted by nbohr1more
people are ALLOWED to be idiots, ignorant, wrong, etc.
.....so they're allowed to POSSIBLY BECOME very dangerous lunatics thanks to paranoia-propelled propaganda not by "devilish corporations" or "satanic freemasonry" but narcisistic powermonger with the conscience of a mangy and irresponsible child, a personification of the meaning of "DISGRACE" (literally in christian terms) who wants simple but effective tools to take advatange of well-known democracy backdoors. And nothing more cause, you know,
individualism just works!!111 It's magic, just do like me!!11 The other systems are ideological constructions!!11 This is the real deal!!!111NOTHING MORE cause "MORE CARE=BAD CARE" ! Just let everyone do for himself.....so they'll become dangerous for themselves too.
Maybe it's time to switch to another kind of "freedom". This is more like "freeDOMINATION" according to her hyperuranical majesty, THE LAW :p
Yes, I know I sound like 1984's Big Brother. "Freedom is Slavery!!!" And no, it's NOT a problem believing that in a
world that is NOT Orwell-like but Huxley-like. A world where the desires are systemically grown, no, better, engineered to ensure that the boat float.
Not the viruses, the desires. So yes, i reject a world where governments systemically let
people be idiots, ignorant, wrong thanks to the
law.
Starker on 16/6/2021 at 04:50
Day 2 since the Ambrosia jab: no side effects other than the injection site being a bit sore. Also, getting a slight urge to wear sunglasses at night.
lowenz on 16/6/2021 at 07:43
Quote Posted by Starker
Day 2 since the
Ambrosia jab: no side effects other than the injection site being a bit sore. Also, getting a
slight urge to wear sunglasses at night.
.....but are you prepared for the universal constructor???
...and thus arose the need for a more generalized theory encompassing a "Universal Constructor" (UC) that would be able to handle such arbitrarily complex nanoscale design problems. Unlike the simple atom by atom nanotech constructors common today, a UC would combine millions upon millions of atoms in a parallel process that could produce materials or mechanisms of unmatched intricacy on a scale currently not possible even with the best nanoscale foundry.
One of the most obvious applications of a UC -- if its construction were ever practical -- would be the genetic manipulation of lifeforms at the atomic level to cure disease, correct congenial defects, or expand their capabilities in beneficial ways. Theoretically, if an "intelligent," real-time control program were developed for the UC, then autonomous, artificial nanoscale organisms could be assembled. Careful design could create organisms that might actually exist in "symbiosis" with other life.
However, a UC also creates the tangible threat of a "grey goo" scenario: the design of an organism that is so evolutionarily advanced as to overwhelm the current ecosystem...And remember, the nanomachine disease in DXIW is called "Nanite Swell 11" (...................Coronavirus Disease 19 !!1111)
Where did I put my sunglasses?!?!?
