lowenz on 13/3/2020 at 18:39
JK, DO NOT LOOK @deaths
Look at hospital ICUs saturation.
And consider ICU patients as deads.
Only so you got the REAL picture.
Here we are @10% mortality among the affected ones. SARS levels.
jkcerda on 13/3/2020 at 18:48
Lowenz, I apologize if I come across as a total ass, I seriously do but there are a million things at play here and I see where YOU come from, China built hospitals in 6 damn days to deal with things, you guys are not equipped to deal with things like they did, hell WE are not equipped to deal with things IF they go as far as it has in Italy. end of the day total death is what will be counted and how things will be measured.
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https://medium.com/@ra.hobday/coronavirus-and-the-sun-a-lesson-from-the-1918-influenza-pandemic-509151dc8065)
hope this helps.
lowenz on 13/3/2020 at 18:57
It's not about being an ass, it's about seeing the hospital "transformation" in gigantic Pneumology structures leaving NOTHING to other sick patients.
zombe on 13/3/2020 at 19:46
lowenz, wanted to ask for some time now about the stats you post - specifically a bit of clarification on the translation. As you posted previously:
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https://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150374&p=2440152&viewfull=1#post2440152)
What do thous two lines mean exactly:
"*infected (positive to test in the past weeks)"
"*actual infected"
I ask because the later is always smaller than the former and to my level of Engrish - mean the same. Confusing.
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Our government decided to declare emergency (note:. that is incorrect translation, but close enough) yesterday - to open up actions/responses that would normally be blocked. Various measures are already discussed and put in place (So far nothing that needs the emergency state - besides to provide short-cuts through interdepartmental junk that normally would apply): steps to slow down/prevent spread and its funding (ex: people need to be encouraged to stay home when feeling ill - ie. more paid leave outside normal paid sick-leave); economy stuff; medical capacity/readiness; informing the public. So, at least it is taken seriously. Will see how it goes as test positives just started to ramp up (only trickled so far and just today got the very first jump in numbers).
Renzatic on 13/3/2020 at 19:48
What we're seeing here is the one sole advantage of living under an authoritarian regime. When China want something done, they can get it done pretty quicklike, and they don't have to worry about infringing on anyone's rights in the process.
And I've now finished my panic shopping. Bought a couple jars of pimento stuffed olives, some hot dogs, buns, a few New York strips, potatoes, grabbed three 12-packs of seltzer water (which was easy to do, cuz no one ever thinks of it as water), and got enough sandwich materials to keep me stocked in Reubens for about two weeks. I am now set to ride out this quarantine in style.
heywood on 13/3/2020 at 19:50
Fuck building hospitals, where are the tests?
Here's the current test stats from my state, New Hampshire:
Number of Persons Confirmed = 2
Number of Persons Presumptive Positive, awaiting CDC confirmation = 4
Number of Persons with Test Pending in PHL = 21
Number of Persons Tested (closed, tested negative) = 94
Total Number of Persons Provided Specimens = 121
121 tests out of 1.4M residents.
Massachusetts, which is just to my South, reported a total of 105 confirmed and presumptive cases yesterday, but only 200 people had been tested out of 6.9M. Only one state lab and the CDC are authorized to do the test. Even the largest regional hospitals are sitting on their hands, asking for and waiting for the feds to authorize them to test.
There's also an extreme shortage of test kits that the government refuses to acknowledge and the media has been quiet about. I have two close friends that are primary care physicians. They told me they can't get anyone tested unless they have been traced to a known positive, and even then they have to be referred to another facility. They also told me that there was a problem with the initial shipment of test kits received from the CDC, which had to be recalled. I haven't seen that in the media. Meanwhile, the government keeps talking as if there's more than sufficient test capacity when that's just not true.
I get that building a hospital takes a while. I also understand that creating a test kit for a new virus isn't something you do in one day. But, we've had over a month's notice this was coming. And there are other countries that have tested 10x and even 100x what we have tested, per capita. We have no excuse. In terms of testing and general health care preparedness for the pandemic, we're third world.
Starker on 13/3/2020 at 20:08
Um... didn't your government just say that you have millions of tests now and everyone who wants it can get tested?
