PigLick on 13/3/2020 at 17:01
I am a professional musician, I played a gig last night and I am pretty sure that will be the last one for some time by the way things seem to going in Australia. Luckily my main source of income is from teaching and they havent closed down schools yet, though that seems to be on the cards. From the information I am getting as the end of term is drawing near they will shut down schools a week early and a week after the school break, which amounts to a 4 week period.
jkcerda on 13/3/2020 at 17:16
Quote Posted by Renzatic
Allow for me to explain to you yet again that the only reason why H1N1 is worse is because we allow it to run its course nearly unabated. If we did the same with coronavirus with its 3.4% death rate, those 61 million infected would equate to 2,074,000 dead. Considerably more than the 61,000 who died of the flu last year.
And that's not considering the massive strain it'd put on our healthcare system. Only a small percentage of flu cases need intensive care. Something like 14% of coronavirus victims need to be put on ventilators in an ICU ward.
So, in closing, coronavirus isn't the goddamn flu. Shut the fuck up about calling the flu. All it does is make you look like an idiot playing politics just so you can accuse others of playing politics.
that 3.4 % death rate is from "known" cases, how many people are actually infected that have NOT been affected or counted for that matter? this is a "pandemic" where allegedly "millions" are infected and deaths are far less .
world wide TOTAL deaths attributed to the virus are UNDER 5K. it's fine & dandy to be concerned and take all the necessary precautions to nip this in the bud, but spare me the 2,074,000 dead when GLOBALLY we are at less than 5k.
YES, I get the other side of the story.
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That was based upon current projections of what's currently known. The reality is that the virus could be far, far less deadly, and we could be extrapolating from a small sample base that represents the extreme ends of the spectrum. That 2,000,000 dead isn't anywhere near set in stone, it's just a potentiality based upon something we really know very little about.
In short, we should err on the side of caution, and treat the worst case scenario as a given. With something like this, it's better to overreact and look stupid later than be flippant about it, and end up with millions dead because we didn't take it seriously enough.
edit: and I should clarify that by overreact, I don't mean bum rush the stores, and get into knife fights over TP and bottled water, I mean curtail travel for a limited amount of time, and postpone big public events while we ride out the worst of this.
jkcerda on 13/3/2020 at 17:40
plenty are being flippant about it because countries like China where it started about 3 months ago & has a population of 1.3 BILLLION people only got less than 4k deaths, the entire quarantines of cities did NOT happen until about a month ago. HOW many people were infected? NO ONE KNOWS, but EVERYONE is more than happy to push that 3.4% death rate as if that was indeed set in stone.
politics aside this panic & quarantine measures are fucking up economies EVERYWHERE, the only ones benefiting here are the rich. all of us peons are going to end up with a BK if we stay home too long.
one good thing I see is that FINALLY the US and others are realizing that is bad to have all the manufacturing eggs in China, goes for pharmaceuticals as well.
again, we are making mountains out of molehills when the total death count to date is less than 5k WORLDWIDE.
lowenz on 13/3/2020 at 17:51
250 deaths in Italy today. Coronavirus induced Pneumonia 99%
Renzatic on 13/3/2020 at 18:00
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plenty are being flippant about it because countries like China where it started about 3 months ago & has a population of 1.3 BILLLION people only got less than 4k deaths, the entire quarantines of cities did NOT happen until about a month ago. HOW many people were infected? NO ONE KNOWS, but EVERYONE is more than happy to push that 3.4% death rate as if that was indeed set in stone.
China locked down their cities in January. It's been nearly two months now.
You can't really judge what's happening in Country A as a given for Countries B, C, D, and E, since the situation is so variable. You can look at South Korea and Singapore, and think "well, this won't be all that bad", but they were prepared for it. They did their due diligence, prepped everything ahead of time, informed the public, and have been able to tackle it fairly successfully. In contrast, you have Italy, which didn't do a thing to prepare for it, and are now in the process of imploding under the strain the virus has put upon them (sorry, Lowenz).
Now where do we lie on that spectrum? Right now, we have a government that initially called the hype surrounding it a Democrat hoax, had fired it's entire pandemic response team long beforehand to save on our budget, are now in the process of classifying all information that comes out of the CDC regarding the virus, have blocked people from using Medicaid to finance coronavirus tests and care, and have put someone wholly unqualified to handle this whole shindig in a leadership position. Hell, last I saw, we were congratulating ourselves for finally having made our 11,000 coronavirus test, which is what South Korea performs IN A DAY.
...do you think we have a better chance of ending up like them, or more like Italy at the moment?
Renzatic on 13/3/2020 at 18:02
Or at least move it elsewhere. Allying with China will do us no favors in the long term.
Though on the plus side, we do a lot of our pharmacological work either stateside, or source it from European countries, so we don't have to rely on them for our medicines.
jkcerda on 13/3/2020 at 18:23
Quote Posted by Renzatic
China locked down their cities in January. It's been nearly two months now.
You can't really judge what's happening in Country A as a given for Countries B, C, D, and E, since the situation is so variable. You can look at South Korea and Singapore, and think "well, this won't be all that bad", but they were prepared for it. They did their due diligence, prepped everything ahead of time, informed the public, and have been able to tackle it fairly successfully. In contrast, you have Italy, which didn't do a thing to prepare for it, and are now in the process of imploding under the strain the virus has put upon them (sorry, Lowenz).
Now where do we lie on that spectrum? Right now, we have a government that initially called the hype surrounding it a Democrat hoax, had fired it's entire pandemic response team long beforehand to save on our budget, are now in the process of classifying all information that comes out of the CDC regarding the virus, have blocked people from using Medicaid to finance coronavirus tests and care, and have put someone wholly unqualified to handle this whole shindig in a leadership position. Hell, last I saw, we were congratulating ourselves for finally having made our 11,000 coronavirus test, which is what South Korea performs IN A DAY.
...do you think we have a better chance of ending up like them, or more like Italy at the moment?
did you miss my meme?
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-covid-19-news-and-live-updates-120246923.html)
I get that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, hence the reason I like PPH, that aside we will not know if we went full retard over the virus in terms of response but we will feel the economic mess that comes with it.
the level of deaths WORLDWIDE do not support the level of panic we are experiencing.
