zomfg1234 on 30/3/2021 at 11:32
With the news of supposed "covid passport" now I am more than sure I won't take the vaccine. Imagine getting into a situation where you are forced to inject something into your body or your freedom gets reduced.
Before you say "It's a vaccine for a pandemic!", consider that if you agree to this, there won't be going back. And it won't end on this. I hope people keep in mind that not every future vaccine will be safe (we can't even tell if our current one is safe) and you will be forced to take them regardless. It will force you to take other stuff too, we just don't know what yet. To put it simply, establishing a system that guarantees you can't function unless you obey your government completely will destroy us and you can't say it won't. Us, citizens who just want to get by without too much trouble.
Personally I don't even know how you can agree with something like this, unless you have Stockholm Syndrome for the government. If you want to take the vaccine, that's your choice, just consider that it will also cost your freedom and of course it will. Those who were talking about "vaccine passport" a year ago were labeled as conspiracy theorists. It's time to end this Covid nonsense and go back to normal, just not in the way where everyone gets fucked in the ass (except rich, of course). I would look at this matter differently if half the population of our globe died, it would make sense to restrict ourselves because the humankind would face near extinction if unchecked. But that's not that. I am immune to Covid, don't make me the part of your twisted system.
faetal on 30/3/2021 at 16:04
Nbohr has someone to play with finally.
Jeshibu on 30/3/2021 at 17:31
Can we segregate them together?
Pyrian on 30/3/2021 at 20:18
Does team pro-cops-kneeling-on-necks-to-death ever feel the slightest bit of cognitive dissonance when they try to convince people that government actually acting in the public interest for a change is a big sign of impending tyranny?
faetal on 30/3/2021 at 21:00
Nah, it's not tyranny unless it affects them personally.
zomfg1234 on 30/3/2021 at 22:18
If vaccines are effective, there is no need to create a system that segretates people in this way. People become immune and the virus loses its power. It's that simple. What's the rationale for having such a system if it's not needed then? One could suspect it's not about the virus itself, since the logic presents clear ways to handle the pandemic without anything outside of the medication.
Nicker on 31/3/2021 at 01:21
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If vaccines are effective, there is no need to create a system that segretates people in this way.
If education was effective there would be no need to tell you how lazy, uninformed and dangerous your vacuous opinions are.
zomfg1234 on 31/3/2021 at 01:59
Quote Posted by Nicker
If education was effective there would be no need to tell you how lazy, uninformed and dangerous your vacuous opinions are.
How about you tell me why I am wrong instead of saying empty words that mean nothing. Unless you have nothing to say beyond adjectives, I suggest being quiet.
Pyrian on 31/3/2021 at 03:40
Quote Posted by zomfg1234
If vaccines are effective...
The vaccines are very (but not 100%) effective
if you aren't too badly immunocompromised and you're eligible to take it and you
do take it. (And nobody knows for how long, or for how many variants.)
There are always immunocompromised people. You and many others have already announced your intentions to not take it. There's
no approved vaccine for children. And worldwide supply is nowhere near 100% anyway.
So, it's
not going to just "work" in any universal sense. Mostly because of
you all. Covid-19 isn't going away, the vaccine isn't going to work for you, nor for the people like you, nor the people y'all pass it around to, and least of all for the vulnerable people who
can't benefit from the vaccine.
Quote Posted by zomfg1234
People become immune and the virus loses its power. It's that simple. What's the rationale for having such a system if it's not needed then?
If virtually everyone got vaccinated, then there wouldn't need to be any such system. However,
you personally and many like you
aren't going to do that, so the virus
isn't going to lose its power, and such a system
is needed. Mostly because of
you all.Quote Posted by zomfg1234
One could suspect it's not about the virus itself, since the logic presents clear ways to handle the pandemic without anything outside of the medication.
It's not like vaccine requirements are new. Many countries have required specific vaccinations for travelers for a long time. Vaccines are well tested, and by far too many people for some big secret conspiracy to be involved. School systems have been requiring vaccinations for attendees for decades.
More generally, the whole viewpoint of "either it works or it doesn't" is nonsensical on the face of it. Binary logic isn't applicable. Typically vaccines are only so effective. There needs to be a critical mass of the population vaccinated to drive an infection towards extinction - the true meaning of the "herd immunity" phrase. Otherwise, the disease persists, unvaccinated people get it all the time and even vaccinated people get it but at a much lower and less severe rate. And it seems that's how the Covid-19 is going to go.
Because. Of.
Y'all. We absolutely
could drive this thing into irrelevance - the vaccines themselves are highly effective, as vaccines go. But
y'all are choosing to side with the disease, and a great many people - mostly but not exclusively anti-vaxxers -
will die as a result.