Pyrian on 15/12/2020 at 18:01
You'll almost certainly get your occasional auto-immune inflammation issue like many vaccines. I don't see any reason to expect any more serious long-term issues from the mRNA vaccines. In a sense, they're a lot safer than your standard weakened-virus style.
Fun fact: Observational studies find vaccinated individuals are so much healthier than unvaccinated individuals that science actually has difficulty explaining the sheer scale of the gap.
Thor on 15/12/2020 at 19:30
Quote Posted by SubJeff
That's not what it does though.
Oh Yeah, I misremembered an official source, it didn't mention genes. Why do I remember the not-so-educated (far-from-biologist) conclusions someone else draws instead. :nono: :p
Reading it again, it seems as it talked of the vaccines having covid "instructions" that allow human
cells to synthesize a covid protein which somehow informs your immune system that this protein shouldn't be in the system in the first place. So an early guard against the virus entering the system. Tbh not sure how the end result even differs from the standard vaccine which I now know even less of.
Quote Posted by faetal
The vaccine provides messenger RNA (mRNA) which can be used by your cells' protein construction machinery to synthesize viral proteins, which are then presented at the cell surface, alowing the acquired immune response to be primed against the viral protein.
The mRNA is then degraded, leaving your lovely human DNA untouched.
Thanks for the explanation, seems like I get the basic idea now.
Quote Posted by Pyrian
You'll almost certainly get your occasional auto-immune inflammation issue like many vaccines. I don't see any reason to expect any more serious long-term issues from the mRNA vaccines. In a sense, they're a lot safer than your standard weakened-virus style.
Fun fact: Observational studies find vaccinated individuals are
so much healthier than unvaccinated individuals that science actually has difficulty explaining the sheer scale of the gap.
You mean people who are vaccinated for covid or any vaccines are healthier? What about the potential auto-immune disorders vaccines can make? I don't understand the reasoning, or does catching illnesses often leave other types of damage to your body?
The expected side-effects of this new vaccine seem to be more severe than your classical vaccine tho, do they not (in regards to it being safer)?
Tony_Tarantula on 15/12/2020 at 21:27
Quote Posted by Pyrian
You'll almost certainly get your occasional auto-immune inflammation issue like many vaccines. I don't see any reason to expect any more serious long-term issues from the mRNA vaccines. In a sense, they're a lot safer than your standard weakened-virus style.
Fun fact: Observational studies find vaccinated individuals are
so much healthier than unvaccinated individuals that science actually has difficulty explaining the sheer scale of the gap.
Do you have a source I can cite to convince my asshole for brains uncle of that?
Kolya on 15/12/2020 at 22:03
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https://www.pei.de/EN/newsroom/dossier/coronavirus/coronavirus-content.html?nn=164146&cms_pos=3)
This is the English FAQ page of the Paul Ehrlich Institute who approve clinical trials of vaccines in Germany. It answers a lot of common questions, like:
How can a COVID-19 vaccine be authorised so quickly and at the same time be safe? (Multiple reasons)
What is the risk of mRNA Vaccines integrating into the Genome and their Risk for Replication? (None)
SubJeff on 15/12/2020 at 22:47
Quote Posted by Pyrian
In a sense, they're a lot safer than your standard weakened-virus style.
The most vaccines do not contain attenuated viruses, so is calling them "standard" really fair?
Gryzemuis on 15/12/2020 at 23:26
Quote Posted by faetal
The vaccine provides messenger RNA (mRNA) which can be used by your cells' protein construction machinery to synthesize viral proteins, which are then presented at the cell surface, alowing the acquired immune response to be primed against the viral protein.
The mRNA is then degraded, leaving your lovely human DNA untouched.
Thanks for the explanation.
So now that we know that there is a risk that the vaccine might change people's DNA, what are the chances of super-hero mutations? Most changes in our DNA will get a person killed. Or make him ill. But sometimes a mutation will cause an improvement. So how many super-heroes will we have in the world a year from now? Ten? A hunderd?
Cool!
SubJeff on 15/12/2020 at 23:39
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
So now that we know that there is a risk that the vaccine might change people's DNA
You say thanks for the explanation but it seems like you didn't read it.
Gryzemuis on 16/12/2020 at 01:22
Oh. I thought of something else. Those 100 new superheroes will all been vaccinated. What if they turn autistic? It's to be expected that at least a few of them become autistic. That would be bad!
Cipheron on 16/12/2020 at 07:47
Quote Posted by Gryzemuis
Thanks for the explanation.
So now that we know that there is a risk that the vaccine might change people's DNA, what are the chances of super-hero mutations? Most changes in our DNA will get a person killed. Or make him ill. But sometimes a mutation will cause an improvement. So how many super-heroes will we have in the world a year from now? Ten? A hunderd?
Cool!
What the hell? You need to read more about biochemistry.
There is ZERO effect on DNA.
RNA is a strip of chemical information that codes for a protein. The way it works is that the cells reads the DNA, it copies a chunk of that into RNA, then that strip of RNA codes for a specific protein. So synthesis goes DNA => RNA => Protein.
Think of RNA as a type of temporary memory and DNA as long-term memory.
What an mRNA vaccine does is to slip a fake RNA message into the queue, which has the instructions on how to make a harmless protein that just happens to be found on the surface of the viruses' shell. The RNA is only a temporary message and the protein itself is harmless, but allows your body to identify the virus if it ever sees it.
Starker on 16/12/2020 at 08:33
I do believe that we have a case of Poe's law here.
