Starker on 14/12/2020 at 21:13
Long article in The Atlantic about COVID science and its successes and failures:
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https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/01/science-covid-19-manhattan-project/617262/) How Science Beat the Virus
And what it lost in the process
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Much like famous initiatives such as the Manhattan Project and the Apollo program, epidemics focus the energies of large groups of scientists. In the U.S., the influenza pandemic of 1918, the threat of malaria in the tropical battlegrounds of World War II, and the rise of polio in the postwar years all triggered large pivots. Recent epidemics of Ebola and Zika each prompted a temporary burst of funding and publications. But “nothing in history was even close to the level of pivoting that's happening right now,” Madhukar Pai of McGill University told me.
That's partly because there are just more scientists: From 1960 to 2010, the number of biological or medical researchers in the U.S. increased sevenfold, from just 30,000 to more than 220,000. But SARS-CoV-2 has also spread farther and faster than any new virus in a century. For Western scientists, it wasn't a faraway threat like Ebola. It threatened to inflame their lungs. It shut down their labs. “It hit us at home,” Pai said.
In a survey of 2,500 researchers in the U.S., Canada, and Europe, Kyle Myers from Harvard and his team found that 32 percent had shifted their focus toward the pandemic. Neuroscientists who study the sense of smell started investigating why COVID‑19 patients tend to lose theirs. Physicists who had previously experienced infectious diseases only by contracting them found themselves creating models to inform policy makers. Michael D. L. Johnson at the University of Arizona normally studies copper's toxic effects on bacteria. But when he learned that SARS‑CoV‑2 persists for less time on copper surfaces than on other materials, he partially pivoted to see how the virus might be vulnerable to the metal. No other disease has been scrutinized so intensely, by so much combined intellect, in so brief a time.
These efforts have already paid off. New diagnostic tests can detect the virus within minutes. Massive open data sets of viral genomes and COVID‑19 cases have produced the most detailed picture yet of a new disease's evolution. Vaccines are being developed with record-breaking speed. SARS‑CoV‑2 will be one of the most thoroughly characterized of all pathogens, and the secrets it yields will deepen our understanding of other viruses, leaving the world better prepared to face the next pandemic.
But the COVID‑19 pivot has also revealed the all-too-human frailties of the scientific enterprise. Flawed research made the pandemic more confusing, influencing misguided policies. Clinicians wasted millions of dollars on trials that were so sloppy as to be pointless. Overconfident poseurs published misleading work on topics in which they had no expertise. Racial and gender inequalities in the scientific field widened.
Amid a long winter of sickness, it's hard not to focus on the political failures that led us to a third surge. But when people look back on this period, decades from now, they will also tell stories, both good and bad, about this extraordinary moment for science. At its best, science is a self-correcting march toward greater knowledge for the betterment of humanity. At its worst, it is a self-interested pursuit of greater prestige at the cost of truth and rigor. The pandemic brought both aspects to the fore. Humanity will benefit from the products of the COVID‑19 pivot. Science itself will too, if it learns from the experience.
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Thor on 14/12/2020 at 21:16
How do you guys rate the chances of long term side/ill effects of this new vaccine tech? Any chances those horror scenarios where they cause infertility/cancer/(?) become reality or are those all just conspiracies or science taken out of context or w/e? I don't want to get hate like last time I asked a question here, I just don't follow the scene nearly as much as you guys.
SubJeff on 14/12/2020 at 21:45
Risk is low. Very low.
Briareos H on 14/12/2020 at 22:02
Quote Posted by Thor
those horror scenarios where they cause infertility
Sign me up!
demagogue on 15/12/2020 at 00:34
The long term effects of covid are much more likely and worse.
I'll be moving into month 9 soon, and some effects are still around, like the blaring tinnitus that I'm having right now that I have to fight over to write this very post, and there's a list of other things. You can imagine how life-sucking it all is, to go through 9 months and still not be sure when or even if ever this thing will be fully over.
Unlike the virus, the vaccines are specifically engineered and vetted for safety before being released to the public.
Azaran on 15/12/2020 at 00:59
A friend of mine nearing 50 got it in April, mild case (mostly mild cough, weakness, pins and needles all over his scalp), but still hasn't fully recovered his sense of smell. Scarier still, he went for a checkup in September, and they found protein in his urine, a sign of kidney damage.
He had another blood test done last month, and thankfully his kidneys seem to have healed, and he got a clean bill of health.
Still, not everyone is that lucky, and what this virus can insidiously do to your organs is terrifying.
PigLick on 15/12/2020 at 13:50
tinnitus eh? thats really shit, and something I dread as a musician.
Thor on 15/12/2020 at 16:16
I've heard much more rarely of this "long covid". Did you test yourself afterwards (e.g. after 3/6/9 months) to know you still have it and are now living with side-damage it's done? Sounds like pretty bad tinnitus too, that sucks. Hope it does away for you.
But yeah sounds like this virus is almost playing a lottery with who's going to get scot-free and who's going to get fucked up.
The vaccine modifying the human genetic code sounds scary as well though. Well, as long as the normal citizen isn't forced into it.
SubJeff on 15/12/2020 at 16:49
That's not what it does though.
At all.
faetal on 15/12/2020 at 17:15
Quote Posted by Thor
The vaccine modifying the human genetic code sounds scary as well though. Well, as long as the normal citizen isn't forced into it.
The vaccine provides messenger RNA (mRNA) which can be used by your cells' protein construction machinery to synthesize viral proteins, which are then presented at the cell surface, alowing the acquired immune response to be primed against the viral protein.
The mRNA is then degraded, leaving your lovely human DNA untouched.