heywood on 29/11/2020 at 15:36
We never had any real lockdowns here in the USA. We did have school and business closures in the spring, but those went away in the summer as conditions improved. Now conditions are worse again, and closures are coming back. If you want them to go away, stop spreading the virus. It's really that simple.
We've had restrictions in the interest of public safety forever: fire safety, food safety, all kinds of transportation safety, swimming pools, beaches, terrorism, hazardous materials, etc, etc. All because of things that kill or hurt relatively small numbers of people. And now we have a public health threat that's killing and hurting shitloads more people than all of the above put together, we have a significant percentage of the population screaming "fuck it, just let me get sick." Why weren't these people screaming for the right to eat tainted beef, or pack into concert halls with pyrotechnics and locked fire doors?
Starker on 29/11/2020 at 15:53
Quote Posted by zomfg1234
I am talking businesses of simple people who rely on being open, simple labor really. Those people are left with nothing in my country while we are pretending there's a bigger threat. I know some people who are on the brink of being homeless because they can't pay their mortgage and they barely afford basic stuff. If they lose everything, was it worth it? I know you don't care but being less ignorant and thinking about actual consequences for people who want to work but can't - this shouldn't be allowed. The death rate is too low for this kind of shit to be tolerated and each wave will result in more poverty and disaster, but hey, at least you can feel good about yourself.
Also deaths are inflated, if a person dies from something else while having covid, it counts as a covid death. In reality it's a very minor thing that results in everyone becoming poorer and more unhappy.
I don't know in which country you live, but that's what moratoriums on evictions and relief packages are for. This is precisely the reason you build a surplus in the good times, so that you can keep people and businesses afloat in times of a crisis. Y'know, the very reason a welfare state exists in developed countries.
As for your conspiracy theories about inflated counts of death and coronavirus actually not being a big deal at all, just look at all the excess mortality. Did hundreds of thousands of people just decide it was a good year to start dying all of a sudden? Or maybe the pandemic and overcrowded ICUs may have something to do with it? Also, churches are reporting many more funerals they have to conduct, etc.
lowenz on 29/11/2020 at 16:25
Quote Posted by zomfg1234
Also deaths are inflated, if a person dies from something else while having covid, it counts as a covid death. In reality it's a very minor thing that results in everyone becoming poorer and more unhappy.
And it's the right way, 'cause Covid is not a pneumonia. It can manifest itself as a pneumonia and other dozens of clinical pictures.
Also "ZOMFG1234" sounds like a clone nickname :p
zombe on 29/11/2020 at 16:44
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Lockdowns are designed to ruin a lot of small businesses
Um, that is idiotic. Are you inappropriately assigning intent - or was that intentional hyperbole not meant to be taken seriously? Not sure ...
Quote Posted by zomfg1234
Or maybe never, I mean the "deadly virus" won't just go away...
... never mind.
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The death rate is too low for this kind of shit to be tolerated and each wave will result in more poverty and disaster, but hey, at least you can feel good about yourself.
I guess you are too personally affected to be able to think straight on this matter.
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This is so dumb i am not sure how to even address it...
Reminder: No-ones healthcare system can handle rampant spread of the virus and would collapse. Also. Rampant spread causes many other problems in society (fucks up economy and general social security at large) - even to the point of causing extra deaths. Not to mention all the other troubles short of death itself.
Mandatory reading using US as an example: (
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm?s_cid=mm6942e2_w) Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19, by Age and Race and Ethnicity — United States, January 26-October 3, 2020
Quote Posted by zomfg1234
Also deaths are inflated, if a person dies from something else while having covid, it counts as a covid death. In reality it's a very minor thing that results in everyone becoming poorer and more unhappy.
Amusing.
The sad thing is that i have heard similar (much-much tamer and less confused tho and getting better over time) things from relatives at various times.
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Adding an excerpt from the link given for conveniences sake
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Weekly numbers of deaths from all causes and from all causes excluding COVID-19 relative to the average expected number and the upper bound of the 95% prediction interval (A), and the weekly and total numbers of deaths from all causes and from all causes excluding COVID-19 above the average expected number and the upper bound of the 95% prediction interval (B) — National Vital Statistics System, United States, January-September 2020
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https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/figures/mm6942e2-F1.gif
lowenz on 29/11/2020 at 19:12
He's of course provoking. With a bit of toxicity ("designed to" :p ). Aka trolling.
JK, is it you, man? :D
faetal on 1/12/2020 at 11:15
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nickie on 2/12/2020 at 11:02
The UK has approved the Pfizer vaccine and will start distributing it next week. 30 million doses were ordered from Pfizer out of a total of 340 million doses from 6 manufacturers.
It's quite a bit sooner than I was expecting but I'll be a way down the list so I'm not holding my breath for my turn.
demagogue on 2/12/2020 at 11:24
I hope this means this is the beginning of the end. I'm 8 months in and I'm getting, maybe relapses is a bit strong, but flare ups where my heart will go crazy or I'll get crazy vertigo for a minute every so often (I'm saying it right now because from just a minute ago I'm having a vertigo spell out of nowhere), and the covid tinnitus, which usually kicks in for most of us 6 months in, is as strong as ever. This thing just doesn't want to leave the body once it's in.
If anyone gets long covid, I'll be happy to tell you what to expect week by week for the next 8 months since I've seen the same pattern 100s to 1000s of times in the online groups for this, literally the week by week stages it goes through. Most doctors are in the dark, save the ones that are in our groups and the ones that understand viral dysautonomia & POTS really well.