demagogue on 21/11/2020 at 15:40
It feels like 98% in Japan. Every once in a while I'll see someone without a mask, almost always an older man, and sometimes a homeless looking guy. I still rarely go downtown, so don't have a sense of if it's increasing or not. But I do get the feeling people have made it so much a part of their day-to-day life that it's just taken for granted now. We started getting our highest numbers ever since the beginning this last week (peaking over 500 a day in Tokyo some days), and that may have something to do with it too.
I'm also starting to get flare ups of long convid like symptoms. I don't think I've re-caught it. I'm reading in the long covid groups I'm in that one can expect flare-ups at the 7~8 month period in. It's a really weird scene. Basically, these groups are the front line of understanding this disease over the long haul, because they're gathering systematic data over large groups, and translating it into a narrative form that you see over and over so many times you start to pick up on how it works, and there are a few medical types that know how to translate the narratives to the biological mechanisms. It's a lot to do with dysatonomia, which has the flavor of post-virus autonomic troubles generally, but post covid dysatonomia is a beast all to itself.
But what I meant by "front lines" is, nobody really knows what's coming month to month, except when it happens, the first line of people that caught it will start reporting each consecutive stage, and then you'll see waves of people repeating the line as it spreads through the community. That's the part that's kind of surreal to me to watch. I mean it's surreal to me because of how often my case is following the same lines that are being collectively charted out because I'm also part of that first wave of cases.
Starker on 21/11/2020 at 16:24
I'm angry at my government more than anything. Already in March they made mistakes and failed to take preventative measures, even though there was plenty of forewarning based on what was happening in Italy. Now there is no excuse, though. And it's not much better across the EU either. It's as if March never happened:
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zombe on 21/11/2020 at 17:35
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Went out today and where I'd usually see 1-2 people in a group of 20 with a mask, today it was more like 80%, maybe even higher. Perhaps the huge increase in cases scared people straight or maybe it was the fact that masks will become mandatory in public indoor spaces next week.
As it happens, today was our bulk shopping day - looked like ~50% here. Which is promising given our location. I expect that to be sufficient for peer pressure to take effect especially as it also lessens resistance from perceived awkwardness of having to wear masks. We ourselves only today got our new masks (took unexpectedly long to arrive for some reason) - as there was little incentive to even have any before (except at the time of the initial total lock-down when we did use them). Far from population centers and in the least hit side of the country.
This is better than i expected. Guess we will see in two weeks time. Currently still breaking records, but it could be worse - a lot worse.
I remember the time Estonia rose past top 10 worst hit countries/territories (adjusted for pop) in the world (!) - then reaching 7th (!!). That was weird to see. Unfortunately, i do not remember if we reached 5th - i think not, but not actually sure about that. Currently we are the 4th least hit country/territory (when ignoring countries/territories with less than 200K pop) in Europe (total of 39 having above 200K pop). Behind Finland, Norway and Latvia.
lowenz on 28/11/2020 at 12:56
All of you wanting the society based on the rights as the "pinnacle" of the human progress, take it :D
Of course "spiritual" health is important, but if you have a church/mosque/sinagogue with a BIG air volume and few people in it.
If not it's the not-spiritual health risk being BIG.
zomfg1234 on 29/11/2020 at 13:29
Lockdowns are designed to ruin a lot of small businesses, make people go into debt and be reliant on others in general. We are way past the point where preventive measures have far worse consequences for people who are not already rich. The people who support that are the most ignorant ones I have seen in a long time. Bankers on the other hand are soo happy seeing private property being slowly abolished, I mean how can you pay the mortgage if you can't work?
Keep it up people. With your gracious fervor of supporting lockdowns, you might be able to feel any semblance of freedom 10 years from now. Or maybe never, I mean the "deadly virus" won't just go away...
Starker on 29/11/2020 at 13:39
Yes, so terrible, all these churches going out of business while hundreds of thousands of people die.
Sweden opted for no lockdown and they did just as terribly economically as the countries around it. The idea that business would continue as usual while a dangerous virus is spreading unchecked is a fantasy.
lowenz on 29/11/2020 at 14:50
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Or maybe never, I mean the "deadly virus" won't just go away...
Vaccine=no more so deadly.
zomfg1234 on 29/11/2020 at 14:50
I am talking businesses of simple people who rely on being open, simple labor really. Those people are left with nothing in my country while we are pretending there's a bigger threat. I know some people who are on the brink of being homeless because they can't pay their mortgage and they barely afford basic stuff. If they lose everything, was it worth it? I know you don't care but being less ignorant and thinking about actual consequences for people who want to work but can't - this shouldn't be allowed. The death rate is too low for this kind of shit to be tolerated and each wave will result in more poverty and disaster, but hey, at least you can feel good about yourself.
Also deaths are inflated, if a person dies from something else while having covid, it counts as a covid death. In reality it's a very minor thing that results in everyone becoming poorer and more unhappy.