Starker on 7/11/2020 at 03:23
Uh, Estonia. And I don't even have health insurance right now (haven't been able to get much work lately). Our health care system has its flaws and I don't think we have handled the pandemic all that well, but at least we don't have Branch Covidians running the show.
howeird on 10/11/2020 at 18:24
how do you inject someone with a vaccine that is - 70 degrees below zero ? sounds like they don't even have a vile that will withstand temperatures that low.
:idea:=... I got the corona virus shot but my arm fell off... :(
Starker on 10/11/2020 at 19:27
The main problem is that these kinds of vaccines will spoil very quickly at normal temperatures -- within a day or two -- and a lot of hospitals and clinics don't have the ultra-low temperature storage available (some candidates apparently need to be stored at -80C even). There are a lot of logistical problems that come with that as well -- for transport, special storage containers are needed that can keep such low temperatures and you can't distribute the vaccine very effectively, if it has to be kept in a few very specialised centres.
Gryzemuis on 10/11/2020 at 21:08
The vaccine doesn't need to come to me.
After the last 10 months, I will crawl on my hands and knees, 100 kilometers through the snow, to get to a hospital where I can get a vaccine shot.
Uphill. In the rain. Without wifi-reception.
mopgoblin on 10/11/2020 at 21:46
Keeping stuff that cold is a pain in the arse and would definitely require a bunch of logistical work but it doesn't seem insurmountable. We do already make and distribute a fair bit of liquid nitrogen and I expect that scaling and applying that would be possible. It definitely seems easier than the big problem - getting politicians not to treat a vaccine as a silver bullet, and making sure they don't weaken existing measures rather than deploying a vaccine to complement them.
Starker on 10/11/2020 at 22:43
Yes, but the problem is that it doesn't scale very well. Already there are shortages of equipment for the larger trials.
SubJeff on 10/11/2020 at 22:59
Quote Posted by demagogue
The common cold is a coronavirus
No it isn't.
Many virus may cause a cold and coronaviruses are not the most common.
And no Azaran, there may be common trails in some viruses that allows some level of cross immunity but that doesn't mean you can create a vaccine for an entire class of virus. Would be nice though.
I'm already seeing vaccine scepticism about this Pizer effort, from the usual people who are anti-mask, anti-lockdown, etc.
demagogue on 10/11/2020 at 23:22
You might even call them anti-vaxxers. :p
SubJeff on 10/11/2020 at 23:24
Yes, but no.
They are people who would normally be fine with vaccinations, but this issue has too much focus on it and clever idiots who want to exploit things are questioning the speed of production, the safety, the efficacy, etc. And these guys are buying it.