heywood on 12/3/2020 at 11:37
Quote Posted by SubJeff
Probably less that 1% in reality. Based of S Korean data where they have done widespread testing.
I don't know how you can conclude that from S Korean data when 95% of their 7869 reported cases are still active. So far they've reported 66 deaths and 333 recovered, i.e. 16.5% death rate among cases resolved so far. That ratio can be expected to improve over time if you assume they are being a bit cautious about declaring a patient recovered. But of the 7470 active cases, 99.8% of them would have to survive in order to make the death rate 1%, and that's very, very unlikely to happen.
Starker on 12/3/2020 at 12:45
The US medical system in a nutshell:
Quote:
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https://thecity.nyc/2020/03/the-cost-of-not-getting-tested-for-coronavirus-a-10k-bill.html)
First Brooklyn public school teacher Erin McCarthy began experiencing potential coronavirus symptoms after returning from Italy.
Then a doctor — wearing a hazmat suit — told her she couldn't be tested because she didn't fit the criteria at the time.
But that wasn't her last shock: She recently got a bill saying her fruitless March 2 ER visit cost $10,382.96.
“And I wasn't even tested,” McCarthy said.
McCarthy is lucky: She has insurance coverage and will only have to cough up a $75 co-pay for her visit to The NYU Langone Health-Cobble Hill emergency department. Her insurance company will pay a negotiated-down rate.
“But imagine if I didn't have insurance,” McCarthy said, recounting a time when she was uninsured and wound up paying off an ambulance bill for years after she needed transport following a fall.
[...]
After the city health commissioner's order changing the protocol for testing was issued March 5, McCarthy was able to get an actual test. The results turned up negative for coronavirus.
As of Tuesday, she had yet to receive a bill for that test, which took place at New York-Presbyterian Brooklyn Methodist Hospital in Park Slope. She said the hospital did not request her insurance information, so she doesn't expect she'll be getting a bill.
[...]
Dia on 12/3/2020 at 13:23
This is a problem many of us are facing here in the U.S.:
'Cough? Fever? Coronavirus symptoms are not enough, Americans find, as strict rules limit who gets tested.
McNamara is a field operations manager at Spectrum and drives for Uber on weekends, so he was concerned about showing up to work sick and possibly infecting others. After going to Adirondack Urgent Care in Queensbury, N.Y., he tested negative for seasonal influenza and was told he had an unknown virus before being sent home.
McNamara wondered why he hadn’t been tested for coronavirus himself and decided to follow up with the urgent care unit. “They said, ‘Well, we didn’t test you because, No. 1, we don’t test for it here. You’d have to go somewhere else,’” McNamara recounted. “‘But we didn’t recommend any testing because you did not meet the CDC’s criteria of having traveled outside the country to a known nation or place that has it, and you also have not been in contact with anybody who has it." Still concerned, McNamara said he followed up with the Warren County Health Services. But they also told him he did not meet the CDC’s criteria for testing.'(
https://news.yahoo.com/cough-fever-not-enough-americans-find-as-strict-rules-limit-who-gets-tested-for-coronavirus-184704103.html)
There's also the deplorable fact that there just aren't enough testing kits available here in the U.S., either; in spite of what the Great Orange One has said.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/u-s-coronavirus-testing-capacity-not-currently-adequate-expert-tells-n1151751)
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https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/trump-anybody-who-wants-a-test-gets-a-test-amid-shortage-for-coronavirus.html)
Gryzemuis on 12/3/2020 at 14:05
At 1:12: "Our plan has 3 goals 1) Protect, 2) Secure, 3) Set Australia up to bounce back stronger".
For a moment I thought he was gonna say: "1) Secure, 2) Contain, 3) Protect".
lowenz on 12/3/2020 at 14:31
Quote Posted by Harvester
I just read (
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/how-dutch-false-sense-of-security-helped-coronavirus-spread-1.4199027?mode=amp&fbclid=IwAR1wM0WylXfZ-k4JES3XuIZcUFse97DnbzEz3HOKjeSxmrNeehyfenwLW28) this article that's specifically about the Dutch government not taking the problem seriously enough. And as it's become clear, the problem seems to be that people with mild health complaints (or even no complaints at all) think it's nothing and just go around meeting people and spreading the virus.
For a couple of days now, I'm experiencing minor health issues. A headache, a stuffy nose, a little bit of a sore throat, maybe a mild increase in body temperature (I'd check but my thermometer has an empty battery), that's it. Normally I'd just go about my business as usual with complaints like that, I wouldn't change anything about my daily routine. But right now, I don't want to take any chances. I've asked my direct supervisor and the CEO of my company if I could work from home at least until the weekend, and then see how I feel Monday. They thought it was a good idea, just to be on the safe side. So I'm posting this from my work laptop at home. I'm going outside as little as possible until I feel better, as I said normally I wouldn't let this bother me but right now things are different. Thankfully working from home is not a problem with my job. But the economy is going to be severely impacted by, among other things, the fact that people will have to stay home and self-quarantine (or be admitted to the hospital in more severe cases) whose jobs cannot be done from home.
Good Move.
You're a responsible guy, thanks!
See? Isn't really that hard.....
Maybe I can reassure you a bit: SARS2 doesn't touch the nose.
Renzatic on 12/3/2020 at 15:15
Quote Posted by jkcerda
stop fucking lying, this is the CDC in Atlanta
That's the way it always is down there.
Starker on 12/3/2020 at 15:44
Anyway, about now would be the time to start leaving random audiologs all around the place.
Renzatic on 12/3/2020 at 15:50
Day 21: Geez, I'm real glad I bought that pizza yesterday. Anyway, the train station is on fire, and this one guy looted the whole mall. I still think it's all much ado over nothing.
Renault on 12/3/2020 at 16:03
So pardon my naivete, but where will all of this eventually end, or at the very least, get under control? Only once a vaccine is developed? Guess I'm just not sure how the cycle works. It seems like other viruses like the flu, common cold, smallpox, measles, etc, are just a part of everyday life now (or were), but I'm sure at one point in history they were very scary too.
I'm not trying to diminish what is going on, like people who claims "it's just like the flu!" I just flew through Seattle within the past week and trust me, I was Clorox Wiping and hand sanitizing everything in sight.